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    Cover of The 22 immutable laws of branding

    The 22 immutable laws of branding

    Al Ries · 1998

    This marketing classic has been expanded to include new commentary, new illustrations, and a bonus book: The 11 Immutable Laws of Internet Branding

    Business & Management
    Open LibraryAmazon
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    6recommend
    17mentions
    10people
    2007–2023years
    71% recommend29% neutral

    Mentions per year

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    1. miguelazoSep 2023
      I’m not that old or insulated yet, and I work in tech. People with any business savvy or sense of digital culture should have known that it would fizzle out very quickly, as it has. This is not how things evolve. I’d recommend the book “The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding” if you don’t understand why. The network effects of this project are a hockey stick going in the wrong direction.
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    2. mindcrimeSep 2022
      That would be a long list, given that I read a lot of books and would generally say that most of the books I've read were worth investing time in to some extent. But for what it's worth, here's a subset, cribbed from my previous HN comments:

      Something Deeply Hidden - Sean Carroll

      The Universe Speaks in Numbers: How Modern Math Reveals Nature's Deepest Secrets - Graham Farmelo

      The Man Who Loved Only Numbers: The Story of Paul Erdos and the Search for Mathematical Truth - Paul Hoffman

      The Man Who Knew Infinity: A Life of the Genius Ramanujan - Robert Kanigel

      Lost in Math - Sabine Hossenfelder

      The First Three Minutes - Steven Weinberg

      Hyperspace - Michio Kaku

      Not Even Wrong - Peter Woit

      The Trouble With Physics - Lee Smolin

      About Time - Paul Davies

      Time Reborn - Lee Smolin

      The Elegant Universe - Brian Greene

      The Hidden Reality - Brian Greene

      The Fabric of the Cosmos - Brian Greene

      Quantum Space: Loop Quantum Gravity and the Search for the Structure of Space, Time, and the Universe - Jim Baggott

      The Universe Speaks in Numbers: How Modern Math Reveals Nature's Deepest Secrets - Graham Farmelo

      Three Roads To Quantum Gravity - Lee Smolin

      Programming the Universe: A Quantum Computer Scientist Takes on the Cosmos - Seth Lloyd

      Higgs - The invention and discovery of the 'God Particle' - Jim Baggott

      Analogy Making As Perception - Melanie Mitchell

      Society of Mind - Marvin Minsky

      Engineering General Intelligence, Part 1 - Ben Goertzel

      Engineering General Intelligence, Part 2 - Ben Goertzel

      The AGI Revolution - Ben Goertzel

      Hackers & Painters by our very own Paul "pg" Graham

      Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution - Steven Levy

      The Soul of a New Machine - Tracy Kidder

      Cyberpunk: Outlaws and Hackers on the Computer Frontier - Katie Hafner & John Markoff

      Artificial Life: A Report from the Frontier Where Computers Meet Biology - Steven Levy

      Ghost In The Wires - Kevin Mitnick

      The Art of Deception - Kevin Mitnick

      The Art of Intrusion - Kevin Mitnick

      Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter

      The Fountainhead - Ayn Rand

      It's Not About The Bike - Lance Armstrong

      Ultramarathon Man - Dean Karnazes

      Charles Proteus Steinmetz: The Electrical Wizard of Schenectady - Robert Bly

      Report From Engine Co 82 - Dennis Smith

      Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind - Al Ries, Jack Trout and Philip Kotler

      The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing: Violate Them at Your Own Risk! - Al Ries and Jack Trout

      Re-Positioning: Marketing in an Era of Competition, Change and Crisis by Jack Trout and Steve Rivkin

      The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding - Al Ries and Laura Ries

      Differentiate or Die: Survival in Our Era of Killer Competition - Jack Trout and Steve Rivkin

      Marketing High Technology - William H. Davidow

      Marketing Warfare - Al Ries

      The Discipline of Market Leaders - Michael Treacy and Fred Wiersema

      Crossing The Chasm - Geoffrey Moore

      How to Measure Anything - Douglas Hubbard

      Fooled by Randomness - Nassim Nicholas Taleb

      The Black Swan - Nassim Nicholas Taleb

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    3. mindcrimeDec 2018
      I'm a Seth Godin fan, and usually recommend several of his books to people who are interested in marketing. But outside of his material, my list of marketing books would include:

      1. Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind by Al Ries, Jack Trout and Philip Kotler

      2. The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing: Violate Them at Your Own Risk! by Al Ries and Jack Trout

      3. Re-Positioning: Marketing in an Era of Competition, Change and Crisis by Jack Trout and Steve Rivkin

      4. The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding by Al Ries and Laura Ries

      5. Differentiate or Die: Survival in Our Era of Killer Competition by Jack Trout and Steve Rivkin

      6. Marketing High Technology by William H. Davidow

      7. Marketing Warfare by Al Ries

      8. The Discipline of Market Leaders by Michael Treacy and Fred Wiersema

      9. Crossing The Chasm by Geoffrey Moore

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    4. mindcrimeJul 2014
      Cribbed from an older answer of mine, to a different question[1], but pretty much my "recommended reading list".

      [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5591319#up_5591574

      0. The Four Steps to the Epiphany - it's not strictly about "marketing" in and of itself, but it certainly touches on elements of marketing, and should be required reading for any startup founder, IMO.

      1. Crossing the Chasm by Geoffrey Moore (more marketing strategy / product strategy than marketing tactics, but a valuable read)

      2. Lookup the current textbook for "Marketing 101" (or it's equivalent) at a nearby college. Go buy the book and read it, even if you don't take the class. If you have time and money, take the class.

      3. The Ultimate Sales Machine by Chet Holmes. I'm deep into studying Chet's approach now, and his book has some great stuff on it. If you can, get hold of his videos from the program he did with Anthony Robbins titled "Ultimate Business Mastery System." You can safely skip the Tony Robbins part, but Chet delivers some good stuff.

      4. In Search of Stupidity by Merrill Rick Chapman.

      5. Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind by Al Ries, Jack Trout and Philip Kotler

      6. The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing: Violate Them at Your Own Risk! by Al Ries and Jack Trout

      7. Re-Positioning: Marketing in an Era of Competition, Change and Crisis by Jack Trout and Steve Rivkin

      8. The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding by Al Ries and Laura Ries

      9. Differentiate or Die: Survival in Our Era of Killer Competition by Jack Trout and Steve Rivkin

      10. Successful Business Research: Straight to the Numbers You Need - Fast! by Rhonda Abrams. This is good for learning about how to find the numbers you'll want to use to put together a first cut of a marketing plan. Think your "target market" is "screw, nut and bolt manufacturers in the southeast with more than 500 employees"? Then you need to know how many of those even exist, before you know if the market is even theoretically worth pursuing. Think your market is "adolescent girls in Massachusetts?" Then you might want population demographics and birth rates, etc. This is a good basic, (and cheap) book with some good pointers on how to get started on that kind of market research.

      11. Marketing High Technology by William H. Davidow

      12. How to Drive Your Competition Crazy: Creating Disruption for Fun and Profit by Guy Kawasaki

      13. I'm a big Seth Godin fan, I'd say read anything and everything by him. The Purple Cow stands out in my memory as a particularly good one. Permission Marketing is good as well.

      14. The Cluetrain Manifesto

      Also, I don't have any specific titles handy (I'm out of town consulting right now, unfortunately, so I can't even walk into the other room and check), but just go to a good used book store near you (if you have one) and find a couple of cheap used textbooks on "marketing research" and "marketing strategy". The exact title won't matter, you just want something you can read through and get the high level stuff. You're not trying to become an MBA, just to learn the language and the broad brush stroke overview of what goes on.

      Some more suggestions in another old thread:

      https://news.ycombinator.com:2227/item?id=7939794

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    5. mindcrimeApr 2014
      Well, if you're willing to throw yourself into the role, somebody has to deal with marketing, PR, strategy, sales, business development, bookkeeping, regulatory compliance, making coffee, taking out the trash, etc.

      So yeah.. there are a LOT of places for a non-technical co-founder to add value. Since most techies aren't very marketing-savvy, I'd suggest you go buy every marketing book you can get your hands on, and do a deep dive.

      OK, maybe not literally every marketing book. But if you're interested, here are a few items I'd recommend to a budding would-be marketer.

      Permission Marketing - Seth Godin

      All Marketers Are Liars - Seth Godin

      Purple Cow - Seth Godin

      Unleashing The Ideavirus - Seth Godin

      Positioning - Jack Trout and Al Ries

      Differentiate or Die - Jack Trout

      The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing - Al Ries

      Repositioning - Jack Trout

      Marketing Warfare - Al Ries

      The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding - Al Ries and Laura Ries

      The Discipline of Market Leaders - Michael Treacy and Fred Wiersema

      Blue Ocean Strategy - W. Chan Kim and Renee Mauborgne

      Trust Me, I'm Lying - Confessions of a Media Manipulator - Ryan Holiday

      Crossing the Chasm - Geoffrey Moore

      If this is a B2B play, I'd read Steve Blank's The Four Steps to the Epiphany first though. Otherwise, I'd suggest starting with The Discipline of Market Leaders and then go to All Marketers Are Liars.

      What kind of duties would you be doing in a role like this? Writing web copy; writing press releases; writing whitepapers; writing blog posts; recording screencasts & demo videos; setting up mailing lists; running the Web, Twitter, Facebook, G+, Pinterest, Tumblr, Youtube, etc., presence; talking to potential customers and soliciting feedback; developing a marketing strategy, PR strategy, etc; working with your cofounders to choose a "value discipline" (See The Discipline of Market Leaders) and putting an operating model in place to fulfill that discipline; possibly talking to potential investors; talking to potential partners, doing business development; and SOOOOOOO very much more.

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    6. mindcrimeApr 2013
      Is it possible? Yes. Is it easy? No. How do you do it? If I had a magic formula for that, I'd be rich. But...

      There is a large body of work "out there" on competitive strategy, differentiation, positioning, market segmentation, etc. I hate to say "go off and read this list of 15 books" but I don't think I can do justice to this topic in a HN comment. So, I will, indeed, just give you a list of books to consider.

      Crossing the Chasm - Geoffrey Moore

      The Four Steps To The Epiphany - Steve Blank

      Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind - Al Ries, Jack Trout and Philip Kotler

      The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing - Al Ries, Jack Trout

      The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding - Al Ries, Laura Ries

      REPOSITIONING: Marketing in an Era of Competition, Change and Crisis - Jack Trout, Steve Rivkin

      Differentiate or Die: Survival in Our Era of Killer Competition - Jack Trout, Steve Rivkin

      Blue Ocean Strategy: How to Create Uncontested Market Space and Make Competition Irrelevant - W. Chan Kim, Renee Mauborgne

      Understanding Michael Porter - Joan Magretta

      Good Strategy Bad Strategy: The Difference and Why It Matters - Richard Rumelt

      Hide a Dagger Behind a Smile: Use the 36 Ancient Chinese Strategies to Seize the Competitive Edge - Kaihan Krippendorf

      Outthink the Competition - Kaihan Krippendorf

      Competitive Strategy - Michael Porter

      Competitive Advantage - Michael Porter

      On Competition - Michael Porter

      Future of Competition: Co-Creating Unique Value With Customers - C. K. Prahalad, Venkat Ramaswamy

      Yeah, it's a lot of stuff. I won't say you need to read all of that, but everyone of those books is something that's influenced my thinking, and that I've learned a lot from. If I had to pick one to start with, I'd say the Steve Blank book - The Four Steps to the Epiphany. He does a pretty good job of giving an overview of market segmentation strategies, which you'll probably want to pursue if you're entering a crowded market.

      After reading Blank, I'd go for Crossing the Chasm next, then the whole series by Trout, Ries and Rivskin, etc. The Michael Porter stuff is good, but somewhat dry and academic. The Understanding Michael Porter book is a good introduction to his stuff that is a little easier to digest.

      Also note a subtle, but important point... there are two different kinds of "positioning* you'll hear people talk about in these kinds of discussions. On the one hand, you have "marketing positioning" as described in the books by Ries, Trout, et al. This is more about the message you send to the market about your firm and your offerings. Then you have Michael Porter "structural positioning" stuff that relates to how your firm "fits" in with your competitors vis-a-vis the "five forces" and the rest of Porterian strategic analysis. One will influence the other, but they are really two different things. Note that anytime somebody starts telling you anything about your "positioning".

      And then you have what Bob Parsons (of GoDaddy fame) said "Don't be afraid to enter a crowded market, just be better than everybody else".

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