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    Positive Technologies Blog

    blog.ptsecurity.com · Company blog · on HN since 2013

    Security research blog from Positive Technologies, notable for its analysis of Intel Management Engine firmware and modem vulnerabilities.

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    What HN says

    HN links it for the post on disabling Intel ME via an undocumented mode, which commenters say me_cleaner uses, plus its Huffman table work.

    Stats for nerds
    43HN people shared it
    35linked in comments
    2.6Kstory points
    Mar 2021last shared
    2017people per year2021

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Disabling Intel ME 11 via undocumented mode
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    5. 5
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    7. 7
      Intel ME: The Way of Static Analysis
      5 people · 88 points · first shared 2017 · 25 comments on HN
    8. 8
      Researcher finds vulnerability enabling disclosure of Intel ME encryption keys
      1 person · 7 points · first shared 2018 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      Theory and Practice of Source Code Parsing with ANTLR and Roslyn
      1 person · 5 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN
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      1 person · 5 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • openasocketOct 2017

      First off, I completely agree. This really should be something you can disable, because often times it isn't used and it increases attack surface.

      You can control that bit, as shown here: http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html . Of course, that method isn't documented or officially supported by Intel, and you could brick your machine if you mess up, so that's not exactly what you meant. I think Intel definitely should document it and provide official support. As to why they don't currently, I have some guesses. The first is general lack of interest: it costs money for them to support this new feature for everyone and make sure it plays nicely with everyone's setup, and maybe there isn't enough customer demand for the feature. The second is money: I wouldn't be surprised if they sell their chips to the government with the bit already set in firmware at a markup. Making that easily available to everyone means less money.

    • oneweekwonderSep 2017

      > Technically, from what we know ME firmware is flashable and possible to update

      And it might be running Minix3[0] which is amazing for me.

      But man it sucks to think there is a *nix machine next to my machine I have no control over. Some might mention SSD fw, but does it have a known serial over LAN vulnerability[1].

      Wikipedia also cite a elevation of privilege bug[2].

      I'm so glad I'm not a IT manager.

      [0]: http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/04/intel-me-way-of-static-analysis.html
      [1]: https://www.scmagazineuk.com/platinum-hackers-exploit-intel-amt-sol-for-secure-cc-communications/article/667477/
      [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#cite_note-intel1-12

      ps. If anybody have some info of the minix in ME. Please drop me a message.

    • platinumradOct 2017

      Re: Evidence that Intel, while giving the US government the ability to disable ME, refuses to give such an ability to other large customers (Google, Amazon, other governments, etc.), for any amount of money.

      I'm not intimately familiar with the situation but I heard some chatter a few years ago about Google (which likes to use Coreboot on its Chromebooks) asking Intel for documentation and source code for various firmware components including the IME and being turned down.

      Researchers recently found an undocumented bit can be set in recent IME versions with a name ("High Assurance Program (HAP)") said to be associated with the US government which disables most functions of the IME.[1]

      [1] http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html

    • soundsSep 2017

      In case you haven't already used the following, please note that the NSA had an undocumented "backdoor" included which "disables" the ME. (Man, oh man, I wish I was making this stuff up.)

      http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html

      I put quotes around "disables" because the ME is not fully disabled. The blog's analysis does show how it is in a "safe" state, i.e. forced to ignore the outside world very early in its code path. Also, not likely to brick your computer, assuming unscrewing your case and using a SPI flash programmer hasn't already bricked your computer.

      Edit: "backdoor" in quotes too.

    • tyingqMar 2021

      "ME isn't required at all..."

      The document you linked refers to a more technical one that explains they don't disable the ME until after the main OS is booted, because...

      "The disappointing fact is that on modern computers, it is impossible to completely disable ME. This is primarily due to the fact that this technology is responsible for initialization, power management, and launch of the main processor."

      http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html

      So, it is serving the same role as the Rpi VideoCore.

    • edaemonSep 2017

      Intel ME has the MINIX license copyright message in it: https://twitter.com/qrs/status/857342798420422657

      Positive Technologies, the people doing the presentation in the OP, have this blog entry about earlier findings surrounding Intel ME (some of the language from this entry is used in OP): http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html

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