cpddan
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0:36 · 1M views · Apr 2, 2018
A one-minute clip by cpddan reproducing how a Tesla on Autopilot 2.5 may have steered into a gore point barrier, as in a fatal Highway 101 crash.
HN cites it as evidence of Autopilot's behavior around lane gores, mostly in critical comments about Tesla.
12 comments from Hacker News
The NHTSA faulted Tesla for the last fatal crash and its likely they will get faulted for the current. I am just shocked that after this one that they haven't suspended its use. The level of chutzpah this company operates at is very dangerous to its future but the public as well. The production issues are a whole different can of worms but the autonomous driving accidents are what the public sees. People need to understand that Tesla is not the only company that can deliver self driving hardware nor are they the only manufacturer of EVs. They are currently the maker of the more desired EV but with some of the old school automakers joining the fray they will see their high end model profit vanish. finally, I am still not convinced they ever plan to actually sell a base model. downvote edit Please see an owner recreation using the same version AP with the same condition z this video What is the rational thought it permitting that on the road.
If your point is "Autopilot only works on perfect roads" then they might have well pull the plug right now. Dirt, snow, rain, fog, dark, and other common conditions could obscure even correctly painted lines, and it just isn't realistic to expect perfect roads throughout such a large network anyway (in particular as human drivers can infer the line is meant to be there from the neighboring lines). At its core, a system like Autopilot is meant to stand in for humans. Plus in this video where they reproduced the accident there was a full chevron pattern so the argument is flawed/wrong anyway: this video
This is gonna be interesting as apparently the "Barrier" [1] bug is only in newer AP2 models per latest A/B tests done by cpddan (who did the very first crash reproduction scenario in Chicago [2]) [LINK] Tesla Model X with AP2.5, SW 2018.6.1 [LINK] MS 75, AP1, SW 2018.6.1 1. [LINK] . "works for 6 months with zero issues. Then one Friday night you get an update. Everything works that weekend, and on your way to work on Monday. Then, 18 minutes into your commute home, it drives straight at a barrier at 60 MPH." 2. this video
Apparently the "Barrier" [1] bug is only in AP2 per latest A/B tests done by cpddan (who did the very first crash reproduction scenario in Chicago [2]) [LINK] Tesla Model X with AP2.5, SW 2018.6.1 [LINK] MS 75, AP1, SW 2018.6.1 1. [LINK] "works for 6 months with zero issues. Then one Friday night you get an update. Everything works that weekend, and on your way to work on Monday. Then, 18 minutes into your commute home, it drives straight at a barrier at 60 MPH." 2. this video
> Would the Volvo system have picked up and appropriately responded to the gore point involved in the recent fatal Tesla crash? I'd rather ask, would the Volvo system steer towards the barrier like Tesla's AP may have done [1] [2]? "IIHS research shows that AEB systems meeting the commitment would reduce rear-end crashes by 40 percent." [3] AEB on its own may save lives. Whether autosteer systems do or not is an open question. [1] [LINK] [2] this video [3] [LINK]