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    Why the Future Doesn't Need UsBill Joy

    Why the Future Doesn't Need Us

    Bill Joy · 2007

    Politics & Society
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    6recommend
    20mentions
    18people
    2011–2026years
    30% recommend65% neutral5% critical

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    1. imranqAug 2026
      Transcribed letter (from chatgpt):

      Dear Mr.,

      In your letter of December 14, you ask me whether mathematics is a worthwhile endeavor. Mathematics absolutely is not a worthwhile endeavor! I can imagine only three possible reasons for studying mathematics:

      (1) Entertainment. (2) To promote technological progress. (3) To promote one’s own career.

      Reason (1) is harmless; but one doesn’t refer to entertainment as a “worthwhile endeavor”; it’s just a pastime.

      As for reason (2), modern technology is the worst thing that ever happened to the world, and to promote its progress is nothing short of criminal. Read Our Final Century, by Martin Rees; or read “Why the Future Doesn’t Need Us,” an article by Bill Joy that appeared in Wired magazine, April, 2000.

      As for reason (3), to choose mathematics as one’s career would be very risky. Not long ago I received a letter from a gravestone sculptor whose craft had been rendered obsolete by a laser-guided machine that carved gravestones automatically. He was in his forties, unable to find work, and depressed. Maybe you think that can’t happen to you if you become a mathematician. But you’re wrong. Martin Rees, Bill Joy, and many other distinguished experts believe that within a few decades machines will be developed that will be more intelligent than even the smartest human beings. When that happens, people will be obsolete; they will be phased out and will be replaced by computers and robots. This will happen to everyone eventually, but mathematicians probably will become obsolete before anyone else does, because mathematics is more amenable to computerization than any other field. Hence, computers probably will surpass humans in mathematics before they do so in other areas.

      Sincerely yours, Ted Kaczynski

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    2. KingOfCodersMar 2023
      I found Bill Joy's, “Why the future doesn't need us,” much more convincing.
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    3. yesbabyyesJun 2020
      I agree that this is worth pondering. Also see (Sun co-founder and vi author) Bill Joy's essay Why the Future doesn't need us, which deals with these matters.

      https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/

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    4. danielrm26May 2014
      Great analysis. Reminds me of an updated, "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us", by Bill Joy.
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    5. aero142Dec 2013
      This area is just one that Bill Joy covers in http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy_pr.html Why the Future Doesn't Need Us, which is my favorite essay on lots of these ideas.
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    6. sfxNov 2013
      Bill Joy's essay "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us" [1] is a good read for anyone working through what such a society would be like and what it means for our race. I think it comes down to the philosophical question of what man's purpose is.

      [1] http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html

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