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    Cover of Babel-17

    Babel-17

    Samuel R. Delany · 1966

    During an interstellar war one side develops a language, Babel-17, that can be used as a weapon. Learning it turns one into an unwilling traitor as it alters perception and thought. This is discovered by the starship captain Rydra Wong. She is recruited to discover how the enemy are infiltrating and sabotaging strategic sites.

    Science FictionFiction & Literature
    Open LibraryAmazon
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    16recommend
    27mentions
    24people
    2008–2023years
    67% recommend33% neutral

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    1. nickspacekSep 2023
      The ability to express thoughts more concisely in various languages is kind of sort of a plot point in the science fiction novel Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany, published in 1966. Picked up a few of his novels to read and I've been enjoying them.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel-17

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    2. kbingmanJul 2023
      I read Dhalgren at 14 and I would definitely not recommend that. I'd avoid the Nevèrÿon books as well, while they are among my favourites, their themes are very adult.

      Babel-17 and Nova are probably both good places for him to start. They are both pretty interesting stories.

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    3. skmurphyJul 2023
      If you are looking for good books by Delany

      Jewel Hinged Jaw is literary criticism and advice for writers https://www.amazon.com/Jewel-Hinged-Jaw-Language-Science-Fic...

      His three most pure "science fiction" novels are Babel-17, Trouble on Triton (originally published as Triton), and Nova. They are all very imaginative but grounded in scientific extrapolation.

      His Neveryona series of stories and books are set in a medieval frame but are really about modern life. I found them interesting and thought-provoking.

      He wrote a short autobiographical piece about some time he spent in a commune called "Heavenly Breakfast" that I found insightful.

      He has a number of very good shorts science fiction stories from the 60's and 70's that are very good as well. Two in particular I enjoyed:

      "Time Considered as a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones"

      "We, in Some Strange Power’s Employ, Move on a Rigorous Line"

      are collected in "Driftglass"

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    4. addaonJul 2023
      I would /not/ suggest starting with Dhalgren. You will enjoy it more if you learn how to read Delany from his other works. Work through his super-accessible shorts, then Stars in my Pocket for an intro to theme and style, then Triton for an intro to disagreeable protagonists in his work. Then back to Babel-17 / Nova for use of language, and then -- if you enjoyed all of those -- on to Dhalgren for the first attempt.
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    5. atombenderOct 2022
      I wouldn't call it unpolished at all. I would characterise PKD's prose as workmanlike. It's very effective, just not what anyone would ever call lyrical or stylish. Stephen King once described his own writing as "the literary equivalent of a Big Mac and fries", and there's some of that in PKD, at least on the surface level.

      I do think PKD improved as a writer in the 1970s, once he kicked his drug habit and slowed down his hyperactive output; from this era, Flow My Tears the Policeman Said, A Scanner Darkly, and the VALIS trilogy all has some beautiful writing and show Dick as a deeper and more mature writer.

      As for the rest of the sci-fi genre, there's a lot of talent among his contemporaries. I would especially suggest:

      * John Crowley. Widely recognized as actual an Author of real Literature, though only his earliest works could be called science fiction. Start with The Deep and Engine Summer.

      * Harlan Ellison. Some of his stories ("I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream", "Jeffty Is Five", etc.) are simply masterfully written.

      * Samuel Delaney. He's an acquired taste and certainly gets a bit self-indulgent, but novels like Babel 17 are often beautifully written.

      * Ursula LeGuin, e.g. The Left Hand of Darkness.

      * Gene Wolfe. Increasingly also recognized as a genius, I also particularly like his short stories. Start with The Fifth Head of Cerberus; graduate with the monumental The Book of the New Sun, which has no equal in or out of the genre.

      * J. G. Ballard. A consummate stylist, he eventually drifted away from SF, but his earlic works are fantastic. My favourite is The Crystal World, as well as his numerious short stories, including one of my favourite stories ever [1]).

      Of later writers, William Gibson, China Mieville and Iain M. Banks come to mind.

      [1] "Report on an Unidentified Space Station": http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~kite/doc/roauss.htm

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    6. johan_felisazAug 2021
      Totally out of topic, but I highly recommend it ... (Not technically a spoiler) I really liked the parallel betweens the bad guys' language, which was manipulative to the extreme, and the good guys' language, which was of course less extreme but still contained deceiving vocabulary (i.e. Babel 17 is critiqued because the good guys are called "who are invading", yet the bad guys are themselves called "invaders" in English ...)
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