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    Organizing America

    Charles Perrow · 2002

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    1. dredmorbiusOct 2021
      As OP isn't forthcoming with their corporate history text, one of which I'm familiar and can recommend is Charles Perrow, Organizing America: wealth, power, and the origins of corporate capitalism. As a sociologist specialising in organisational behaviour and structures, Perrow brings a deep expertise and excellent scholarship to the field.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/organizing-america-wealth-pow...

      Archive.org don't appear to have this, though ZLibrary / LibGen do.

      thread
    2. dredmorbiusSep 2016
      From a recent HN comment, a list, some authors, and some guidelines, largely based on books which radically changed my thinking.

      Currently: Vaclav Smil, Energy in World History (1994), and Manfred Weissenbacher, Sources of Power (2009). Both detail the role and impact of energy through world history. The latter draws strongly on the first, both are exceedingly well documented. TL;DR: coal changed much, oil changed everything.

      http://www.worldcat.org/title/energy-in-world-history/oclc/3...

      http://www.worldcat.org/title/before-oil-the-ages-of-foragin...

      http://www.worldcat.org/title/oil-age-and-beyond/oclc/837625...

      James Burke's books Connections and The Day the Universe Changed, and their accompanying television series, were a profound introduction to the history of technology, science, ideas, and philosophy. Though 30+ years old, they remain highly current and relevant.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/connections/oclc/4494136

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/day-the-universe-changed/oclc...

      Jeremy Campbell's Grammatical Man (1984) introduced the concepts of information theory and their deep, deep, deep interconnections to a tremendous number of interconnected systems, many not explored within his book. Darwin's The Origin of Species, James Gleick's Chaos, and many of the works of Santa Fe Institute members, including John C. Holland, J. Doyne Farmer, Geoffrey West, W. Brian Arthur, David Krakauer, and Sander van der Leeuw, continue these themes.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/grammatical-man-information-e...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/chaos-making-a-new-science/oc...

      William Ophuls' Ecology and the Politics of Scarcity (1977) is perhaps the best, most comprehensive, shortest, and most readable exposition of the fact, reality, dynamics, and interactions of limits on the present phase of fossil-fuel fed economic growth I've found. This is a book I recommend not only for the message, but the author's clarity of thought and exposition, his meticulous research, exquisite bibliographical notes, and, given the nearly 30 years elapsed, testability numerous of his predictions, some failed, yes, others uncannily accurate. Rather more the latter. In a similar vein, William R. Catton's Overshoot looks at the ecological dynamics in more depth, with much wisdom, the writings of Richard Heinberg cover the ground of limits fairly accessibly and more recently. Vaclav Smil in numerous books addresses technical factors of the profound nature of the past 250 years, and implications for the future. Meadows, et al, in Limits to Growth set off much of the post-1970 discussion (though they're hardly the first to raise the question -- it dates to Seneca the Elder),

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/ecology-and-the-politics-of-s...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/overshoot-the-ecological-basi...

      https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Aheinberg%2C+richard&a...

      https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Asmil%2C+vaclav&qt...

      Though hardly pessimistic, Daniel Yergin's book The Prize (and TV series) impressed upon me more than any other just how much petroleum specifically changed and transformed the modern world. Though intended largely as laudetory and championing the oil industry by the author, my read of it was exceptionally cautionary. The impacts on business, everyday life, politics, wars, industry, and transport, and the rate at which they occurred, are simply staggering. You can continue this exploration in Vaclav Smil's Energy in World History (1994) (I've recommended Smil independently elsewhere), and a rare but profound two-volume set I'm currently reading, Manfred Weissenbacher's Sources of Power: How energy forges human history (2009). The shear physicality of this book speaks to the message -- it's divided into five parts: 1) Foraging Age (6 pages), 2) Agricultural Age (156 pp), 3) Coal Age (160 pp), 4) Oil Age (296 pp), and 5) Beyond the Oil Age (142 pp). That is, the ~2 million years of pre-agricultural existence are little more than a footnote, the 8,000 years of agriculture roughly equal to the 150 years of coal, and the 100 years of petroleum use roughly twice either. The oil and post-oil ages comprise their own volume. Yergin followed up with The Quest, continuing the search for oil, though I've been less impressed by it.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/prize-the-epic-quest-for-oil-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/energy-in-world-history/oclc/...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/before-oil-the-ages-of-foragi...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/oil-age-and-beyond/oclc/83762...

      Adam Smith's An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations is among the most-cited (and most incorrectly cited), least-read books of high influence I'm aware of, outside religious texts (and perhaps it is a religious text to some…). The author's message has been exceptionally shaped and manipulated by a powerful set of forces, quite often utterly misrepresenting Smith's original intent. Reading him in his own words, yourself, is strongly recommended. I'd also recommend scholarship particularly by Emma Rothschild and Gavin Kennedy, though also others, on Smith. Contrast with the portrayal by the propaganda disinformation front of the Mont Pelerin Society / Atlas Network / so-called Foundation for Economic Education, and much of the modern American Libertarian movement (von Mises, Hayek, Friedman, Hazlett, Rothbard, and more recently, Norberg). Contrast The Invisible Hand (1964), a compilation of essays published by Libertarian house Regnery Press in 1966, at the beginning of the rise in public use of Smith's metaphor to indictate mechanism rather than an expression of the unknown.

      There are numerous editions of Smith, I believe the Glasgow is frequently cited by Smith scholars: https://www.worldcat.org/title/glasgow-edition-of-the-works-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/economic-sentiments-adam-smit...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/adam-smith-and-the-invisible-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/adam-smiths-lost-legacy/oclc/...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/invisible-hand-a-collection-o...

      I'd like to put in recommendations on technology specifically, but am still searching for a good general text. The material's covered somewhat in the chaos and complexity recommendations above (Campbell et al), though I'd add Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies. Charle's Perrow has several excellent books including Normal Accidents and Organizing America. I'd like to reference something concerning Unix, Linux, and programming, perhaps Kernighan and Pike's The Unix Programming Environment, Linus Torvalds' Just for Fun, Richard Stallman's The GNU Manifesto, and Steve McConnel's Code Complete. The O'Reilly book Unix Power Tools also encapsulates much the strength of the Unix toolset. All these are somewhat dated.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/collapse-of-complex-societies...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/normal-accidents-living-with-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/organizing-america-wealth-pow...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/unix-programming-environment/...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/unix-power-tools/oclc/5238168...

      thread
    3. dredmorbiusAug 2016
      Interesting question, and a quite difficult one for me to answer as I'm refactoring much of my thinking presently. I'll offer a list, some authors, and some guidelines, largely based on books which radically changed my thinking.

      Madelaine l'Engle's A Wrinkle in Time. A quite profound children's book with lifelong impacts.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/wrinkle-in-time/oclc/22421788

      Frank Herbert's Dune introduced true complexity into storytelling for me.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/dune-frank-herbert/oclc/52908...

      James Burke's books Connections and The Day the Universe Changed, and their accompanying television series, were a profound introduction to the history of technology, science, ideas, and philosophy. Though 30+ years old, they remain highly current and relevant.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/connections/oclc/4494136

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/day-the-universe-changed/oclc...

      Jeremy Campbell's Grammatical Man (1984) introduced the concepts of information theory and their deep, deep, deep interconnections to a tremendous number of interconnected systems, many not explored within his book. Darwin's The Origin of Species, James Gleick's Chaos, and many of the works of Santa Fe Institute members, including John C. Holland, J. Doyne Farmer, Geoffrey West, W. Brian Arthur, David Krakauer, and Sander van der Leeuw, continue these themes.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/grammatical-man-information-e...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/chaos-making-a-new-science/oc...

      William Ophuls' Ecology and the Politics of Scarcity (1977) is perhaps the best, most comprehensive, shortest, and most readable exposition of the fact, reality, dynamics, and interactions of limits on the present phase of fossil-fuel fed economic growth I've found. This is a book I recommend not only for the message, but the author's clarity of thought and exposition, his meticulous research, exquisite bibliographical notes, and, given the nearly 30 years elapsed, testability numerous of his predictions, some failed, yes, others uncannily accurate. Rather more the latter. In a similar vein, William R. Catton's Overshoot looks at the ecological dynamics in more depth, with much wisdom, the writings of Richard Heinberg cover the ground of limits fairly accessibly and more recently. Vaclav Smil in numerous books addresses technical factors of the profound nature of the past 250 years, and implications for the future. Meadows, et al, in Limits to Growth set off much of the post-1970 discussion (though they're hardly the first to raise the question -- it dates to Seneca the Elder),

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/ecology-and-the-politics-of-s...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/overshoot-the-ecological-basi...

      https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Aheinberg%2C+richard&q...

      https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Asmil%2C+vaclav&qt=res...

      Though hardly pessimistic, Daniel Yergin's book The Prize (and TV series) impressed upon me more than any other just how much petroleum specifically changed and transformed the modern world. Though intended largely as laudetory and championing the oil industry by the author, my read of it was exceptionally cautionary. The impacts on business, everyday life, politics, wars, industry, and transport, and the rate at which they occurred, are simply staggering. You can continue this exploration in Vaclav Smil's Energy in World History (1994) (I've recommended Smil independently elsewhere), and a rare but profound two-volume set I'm currently reading, Manfred Weissenbacher's Sources of Power: How energy forges human history (2009). The shear physicality of this book speaks to the message -- it's divided into five parts: 1) Foraging Age (6 pages), 2) Agricultural Age (156 pp), 3) Coal Age (160 pp), 4) Oil Age (296 pp), and 5) Beyond the Oil Age (142 pp). That is, the ~2 million years of pre-agricultural existence are little more than a footnote, the 8,000 years of agriculture roughly equal to the 150 years of coal, and the 100 years of petroleum use roughly twice either. The oil and post-oil ages comprise their own volume. Yergin followed up with The Quest, continuing the search for oil, though I've been less impressed by it.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/prize-the-epic-quest-for-oil-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/energy-in-world-history/oclc/...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/before-oil-the-ages-of-foragi...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/oil-age-and-beyond/oclc/83762...

      Adam Smith's An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations is among the most-cited (and most incorrectly cited), least-read books of high influence I'm aware of, outside religious texts (and perhaps it is a religious text to some…). The author's message has been exceptionally shaped and manipulated by a powerful set of forces, quite often utterly misrepresenting Smith's original intent. Reading him in his own words, yourself, is strongly recommended. I'd also recommend scholarship particularly by Emma Rothschild and Gavin Kennedy, though also others, on Smith. Contrast with the portrayal by the propaganda disinformation front of the Mont Pelerin Society / Atlas Network / so-called Foundation for Economic Education, and much of the modern American Libertarian movement (von Mises, Hayek, Friedman, Hazlett, Rothbard, and more recently, Norberg). Contrast The Invisible Hand (1964), a compilation of essays published by Libertarian house Regnery Press in 1966, at the beginning of the rise in public use of Smith's metaphor to indictate mechanism rather than an expression of the unknown.

      There are numerous editions of Smith, I believe the Glasgow is frequently cited by Smith scholars: https://www.worldcat.org/title/glasgow-edition-of-the-works-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/economic-sentiments-adam-smit...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/adam-smith-and-the-invisible-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/adam-smiths-lost-legacy/oclc/...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/invisible-hand-a-collection-o...

      I'd like to put in recommendations on technology specifically, but am still searching for a good general text. The material's covered somewhat in the chaos and complexity recommendations above (Campbell et al), though I'd add Joseph Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies. Charle's Perrow has several excellent books including Normal Accidents and Organizing America. I'd like to reference something concerning Unix, Linux, and programming, perhaps Kernighan and Pike's The Unix Programming Environment, Linus Torvalds' Just for Fun, Richard Stallman's The GNU Manifesto, and Steve McConnel's Code Complete. The O'Reilly book Unix Power Tools also encapsulates much the strength of the Unix toolset. All these are somewhat dated.

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/collapse-of-complex-societies...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/normal-accidents-living-with-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/organizing-america-wealth-pow...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/unix-programming-environment/...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/unix-power-tools/oclc/5238168...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/free-software-free-society-se...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/just-for-fun-the-story-of-an-...

      https://www.worldcat.org/title/code-complete-a-practical-han...

      thread
    4. dredmorbiusMar 2023
      For some further related reading:

      "The Memorandum as a Management Genre" by JoAnne Yates <http://www.ismlab.usf.edu/dcom/Ch6_YatesMemoMgtCommQtly1989....> (PDF)

      Organizing America by Charles Perrow is Yet Another Book Exploring the Origins of The Corporation: <https://press.princeton.edu/books/ebook/9781400825080/organi...> <https://archive.org/details/organizingameric0000perr>

      The New Books Network is a great resource generally for academic books and author interviews. Search on "history of corporation" yields: <https://newbooksnetwork.com/search?+q=history+of+corporation>. And I see a number of future timesinks, starting with Counter Cola: <https://newbooksnetwork.com/counter-cola>

      David Hounshell's Science and Corporate Strategy is one of several books about major industrial R&D labs. His covers Du Pont. <https://archive.org/details/sciencecorporate0008houn>

      AT&T's Bell Labs is another notable topic (Jon Gertner, The Idea Factory, though I've not read it). I believe there are likely books on Xerox, Kodak, and IBM. Rand Corporation hosts its own very extensive publications library: <https://www.rand.org/pubs.html>

      I'll add Mickelthwaite's book to my own rather imposing pile.

      thread
    5. ZeroGravitasOct 2021
      Archive.org have it but not for digital loan unless you are officially "print disabled", but you can preview and full text search.

      https://openlibrary.org/works/OL4468926W/Organizing_America

      Which links to: https://archive.org/details/organizingameric00perr/

      thread
    6. dredmorbiusDec 2019
      Charles Bryce Perrow was an emeritus professor of sociology at Yale University with appointments at Stanford and Princeton.

      He was author of numerous books, many concerning risk of complex technical systems and organisations, including Normal Accidents (1984), Complex Organizations: A Critical Essay (1972), The Next Catastrophe: Reducing Our Vulnerabilities to Natural, Industrial, and Terrorist Disasters (2011), The AIDS Disaster: The Failure of Organizations in New York and the Nation (1990), Organizing America: Wealth, Power and the Origins of American Capitalism (2002), among others.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Perrow

      He's also mentioned in the episode "LaLa Land: Gallileo's Warning" of Tim Harford's Cautionary Tales podcast. Both the episode and the podcast are an excellent catalogue and analysis of disaster.

      http://timharford.com/2019/11/cautionary-tales-ep-3-lala-lan...

      thread

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