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- > You forgot to add a bunch of [citation needed]
Well if you're the one who needs citations, no problem.
https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docume...
Casti connubii, Pope Pius XI, 12/31/1930: released to coincide with the Anglican Lambeth Conference. Paragraphs 45-48, 51, 63-67, 71, 75, 106.
https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/docume...
Humanae vitae, Pope Saint Paul VI, 7/25/1968: released in response to the hormonal contraceptive pill (not to mention the "sexual revolution" while the Vietnam War raged on). HV is remarkably short, and I recommend reading it in full if you have a few minutes. But you want citations: Paragraphs 3, 7, 10, 13, 14, 16, and finally, the predictions and anticipation are laid bare in paragraph 17.
"Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection."
- 4th-5th century: Confessions and City of God by St. Augustine
13th century: Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas
14th century: The Divine Comedy (includes Inferno) by Dante Alighieri
20th century: Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton, Mere Christianity and The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, Humanae Vitae (Theology of the Body) by Pope Paul VI
- It is in fact dogma that IVF is forbidden to Catholics (see Humanae Vitae #12 and the Catechism #2376)
https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/docume...
https://www.vatican.va/content/catechism/en/part_three/secti...
- Humanae vitae by Pope Paul VI, July 25, 1976
https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/docume...
Consequences of Artificial Methods
17. Responsible men can ... first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. ... [A] man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.
- Err - have you heard of a fella called "His Holiness The Pope"? Here is a recent summary of remarks made recently [1].
'On the subject of birth control, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).”
St. Paul VI issued Humanae Vitae, the landmark encyclical reaffirming Church teaching against contraception, on July 25, 1968.
In the encyclical, Paul VI warned of serious social consequences if the widespread use of contraceptives became accepted. He predicted that it would lead to infidelity, the lowering of morality, a loss of respect for women, and the belief that humans have “unlimited dominion” over the body.'
Now, mainstream Catholics are relatively moderate in terms of many modern political positions, but I hope that the fact of approximately 1bn people adopting and affirming this position establishes that my assertion isn't bullshit. Beyond Catholics I think that the "true right" (someone help me please) have many folks (often with undercuts, wild eyes and tattoo's that they regret only because if they are discovered they will disqualify them from public life) who have far stronger views. To find out about these people (I will restrain myself from more powerful descriptions of them) please investigate the "tradwife" [3] and "incel" [2] movements.
[1]https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251920/pope-francis-...
[2] https://theconversation.com/incel-violence-is-a-form-of-extr...
[3] https://jezebel.com/trad-wife-wellness-influencers-are-tryin...
- Uh, I would consider something called the “Malthusian League” close enough to eugenics from my point of view.
But you are right, birth control itself predates modern era eugenics. What I meant was “modern” birth control.
A lot of the people who have shaped this cultural stuff are just very disturbed. In the past they were pretty open about their perspective before talking about it openly became somewhat taboo. As an example of the “Malthusian mindset” in 1954:
Nuclear scientist Harrison Brown publishes his book "The Challenge of Man’s Future". In the book Brown examines carefully the probability that the human carrying capacity of the planet is between 50 and 200 billion people, before summarizing the reasons this fact is best kept secret:
“If humanity had its way, it would not rest content until the earth is covered completely and to a considerable depth with a writhing mass of human beings, much as a dead cow is covered with a pulsating mass of maggots.”
Here is the papal encyclical “Humanae Vitae” by the way if you are interested in why the Church considers birth control to be harmful:
https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/docume...
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