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    Cover of Nothing to envy

    Nothing to envy

    Barbara Demick, Demick Barbara · 2009

    A remarkable view into North Korea, as seen through the lives of six ordinary citizens Nothing to Envy follows the lives of six North Koreans over fifteen years--a chaotic period that saw the death of Kim Il-sung, the unchallenged rise to power of his son Kim Jong-il, and the devastation of a far-ranging famine that killed one-fifth of the population. Taking us into a landscape most of us have never before seen, award-winning journalist Barbara Demick brings to life what it means to be living under the most repressive totalitarian regime today--an Orwellian world that is by choice not connected to the Internet, in which radio and television dials are welded to the one government station, and where displays of affection are punished; a police state where informants are rewarded and where an offhand remark can send a person to the gulag for life. Demick takes us deep inside the country, beyond the reach of government censors. Through meticulous and sensitive reporting, we see her six subjects--average North Korean citizens--fall in love, raise families, nurture ambitions, and struggle for survival. One by one, we experience the moments when they realize that their government has betrayed them. Nothing to Envy is a groundbreaking addition to the literature of totalitarianism and an eye-opening look at a closed world that is of increasing global importance. From the Hardcover edition.

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    1. 41torDec 2022
      >That's not necessarily true. They don't have access to the internet or foreign media. Only propaganda.

      That's wildly inaccurate, read "Nothing to Envy" then educate yourself on advancements in censorship circumvention since then -- they regularly get movies and films on USB paired with broadcasts into border regions.

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    2. rickdeckardAug 2022
      I don't know it first-hand but from conversations I had with a deflector and friends in South Korea it's hard to overstate how devastating the feeling of a North Korean in the "free world" must be when he/she discovers that there is actually no purpose provided to him/her.

      South Korea helps deflectors with "integration" and initial funding. But your prior education is of little value, you have no network and are stuck in a alien world without knowledge how it works. If you can't find a sustainable way to make money for yourself, noone cares. You will lose everything and end up on the streets.

      With such a prospect it's not surprising that some want to return to North Korea, mostly when their money is gone. It doesn't necessarily mean North Korea is better or more social, it's just more familiar and predictable to people who grew up there.

      Good read on that matter, albeit ~10 yrs old now: Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea

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    3. firephonestivalApr 2022
      North Koreans have been "jailbreaking" their electronics for a long time.

      There are some good books about how ordinary people lived up to around Kim Jong-Un's reign, such as "Nothing to Envy" and "Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader".

      Devices such as TVs and radios were always set to only receive state broadcasts, and they are subject to regular inspections. But the safety measures were cheaply produced on a small scale, often a simple mechanical limit on a dial housed behind tamper-evident stickers.

      The Tumen River has also been a traditionally porous border where black market media (and cosmetics, food, electronics, etc) could flow freely. As is usual in an authoritarian regime, well-connected people can ignore the rules, smart/wealthy people can work around them, and the occasional unlucky person can be made into an example.

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    4. randycupertinoSep 2021
      Oh boy, you're gonna release the Kraken here.

      Nonfiction that reads like a thriller is my favorite genre.

      The last book that truly surprised me for how good it was and had been sitting unread in my queue for a while because the descriptions didn't give it justice was Empty Mansions: Empty Mansions: The Mysterious Life of Huguette Clark and the Spending of a Great American Fortune by Bill Dedman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_Mansions

      It's basically like rise and fall of Sackler family 1.0 in dynastic wealth and all crazy things that happen to the next generations. Her dad was a mining baron who created the US' largest superfund site and bought himself a Montana Senate seat and then it gets more wild from there. Unlike the Sacklers, the daughter who does seem to have arrested development re: emotional maturity- she played with dolls and ordered customized artisanal dollhouses from Japan for 500k and up into her 80s - did have a very kind heart and gave large gifts to her staff, her relatives, friends, even the guy who came in to repair the TV in her hotel room got a $40k tip. At the end there is a giant fight over multiple versions of the will, allegations of elder abuse by both Doctors Hospital in NYC and her nurse, CPA and attorney and pursuit by the IRS for unpaid gift taxes of millions of dollars.

      She lived such a long life that you basically get a tour through American history throughout the book because it starts in the Gilded Age and she lives to be 105 years old! Even at the end of the book the main character who seems easy to write off as a batty old rich lady sort of earns your respect because she doesn't let the hospital push her around too much and stands her ground to many predatory family members and other sharks circling for her estate and largess.

      There are some tie ins with modern tech wealth as well- a few of the purchasers of her assets including her Stradivarius violin for $2.5 million is one of the original microsoft guys!

      Def check out John Carreyrou's book about Theranos, Bad Blood if you haven't already. That's imo the GOAT of this genre.

      The Smartest Guys in the Room about the rise and fall of Enron is AWESOME and truly outrageous, as is Nobody would Listen by Harry Markopolos is about the Bernie Maddof ponzi scheme.

      Another long read but REALLY GOOD was The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich which has a sloooooow start (there are a few chapters off the bat about philosophy and the origins of various schools of political theory etc) but once the Beer Hall Putsch happens it really takes off. It was written by William Shirer, an American journalist who lived in Germany and stayed through from the end of WW1 through WWII.

      Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder was horrific reading and just gruesomely sad but also incredibly well researched and fascinating. I liked it so much I then when on an Ann Applebaum kick of Iron Curtain, Gulag and Red Famine, all of which were very good. If you were going to pick one of hers, I'd do Gulag.

      John Kraukauer's Into Thin Air and Under the Banner of Heaven are excellent, as is Crisis in the Red Zone about the origins and spread of ebola in the Sierra Leon.

      edit: Oh! Also Midnight in Chernobyl was amazing, especially great if you listen to it before or after watching the HBO show. It's a fantastic read even if you don't watch the show and I think is what kicked off my interest above in life in the Soviet bloc.

      Red Notice by Bill Browder details his experience as a global investor during the economic transition and rise of the oligarchs in Russia under Putin and details so much of the corruption and fraud of the current regime. It was written in 2014 after Browder's partner was tortured and murdered and brought about the Magnitsky Act. All the more relevant today with Navalny's recent revelations and very good background for what is happening in Russia now.

      Re: tech co books, I'd say STAY AWAY from Chaos Monkeys by Antonio Garcia Martinez - was awful and the author is just totally unlikeable douchebag. He's not particularly insightful and the whole book was poorly written, sparsely edited bloviating.

      Dear Leader by Jang Jin-sung about his life as a Pyongyang party elite, defectation and escape from North Korea was fantastic, thrilling and actually read like a real life spy novel. Some of the portions where he gets close to the border and as he survives on the lam in the Chinese border adjacent countryside while being hunted are... heart pounding.

      Nothing to Envy by Barbara Demick is also about life in North Korea but focuses less on the party elite and more on the suffering of the general population. Heart-wrenching, horrific, well-researched and depraved.

      And the Band Played on by Randy Shilts about the origins and spread of HIV & AIDs is another fantastically written and educational medical themed nonfiction about the development of the AIDS epidemic and the world spread and US and world research responses. Several infuriating portions especially the disinformation campaigns by the blood bank industry and lobbyists once the supply was tainted with the virus.

      Ugh... I have so many more, but this should get you started. Have fun and don't forget book reports are due in 5 weeks so get cracking :P

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    5. leggomylibroMar 2019
      I'm not sure if it's still true, but North Korea used to be one of the few countries which had not outlawed cannabis.

      Apparently it has a very strong root structure and they had a lot of problems with soil erosion, especially along railway lines.

      It sure is amazing how different perspectives influence decision-making.

      Incidentally, if anyone is interested in the country's history between WWII and Kim Jong-Un, check out Under the Care of the Fatherly Leader: North Korea and the Kim Dynasty by Bradley K. Martin if you want a dry but deep history, or Nothing to Envy: Oridinary Lives in North Korea by Barbara Demick for a more narrative account.

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    6. reverend_gonzoApr 2018
      I highly recommend reading Nothing To Envy by Barbara Dendrick, which is about six people who escaped from North Korea.

      It was a very interesting, though sad, book, as was the AMA she did on Reddit a few years ago.

      It would be great to see those borders open up (legally) and let and modern amenities flow into that country.

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