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    Cover of Advanced nutrition and human metabolism - 6. ed.

    Advanced nutrition and human metabolism - 6. ed.

    Sareen S. Gropper, Jack L. Smith

    Biology & Medicine
    Open LibraryAmazon
    Stats for nerds
    1recommend
    2mentions
    2people
    2011–2014years
    50% recommend50% neutral

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    1. jp555Jan 2014
      Energy balance is the physics of biochemistry; there is no arguing away the laws of thermodynamics. If you get heavier, it's because you consumed more energy than you used over a period of time. There is no other way to gain or lose weight* (no matter the proportion of muscle/fat that's gained or lost).

      I think you are confusing weight & body composition with "health". They are interconnected but not the same thing. I believe (and it is just a belief) that a lifetime of staying lean (& strong) is the single best way to maximizes the health benefits of a diet, whatever that diet may be. You can't eat "unhealthy" amounts of any macronutrient if you're eating to stay lean (<15% body fat for men).

      Don't pull out the "a simple failure of willpower" straw man; I never claimed that.

      Hormones play a HUGE role in metabolism. My bedtime reading is how the chemical reactions they drive fit into human metabolism. you're comment seems to make them out to be "magical", which I suspect is due to your ignorance of them. I highly recommend reading up on them, just not via the media (Taubes only gives you his choice of the science), but via biochemistry text books like "Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism" http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrition-Metabolism-Sareen-G...

      * there are extreme exceptions; liposuction is one way. :P

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    2. ghshephardJun 2011
      In the 1930s to 1950s, anything starchy was bad for you (Ask your grandmother) - In the 1950s - 1980s fat became the new evil. Then it was cholesterol, and saturated Fats. Then Transfatty Acids. For a small period of time there was a niche rebellion against all things carbs, and now it looks like we're coming back against refined sugars (or all things refined white)

      After reading a bit of anti-carb propaganda (Taubes) and being drawn into the "Wow, there are really bad things that you can eat" worldview - I decided to educate myself, and wget downloaded about 16,000 journal articles from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (They let you do this for $25, with the only request being that you put a 3 second delay between requests. Some awk/sed skills required to parse out the URLs, but not much. Totally download time was 39 hours)

      After reading through 40 or 50 of those articles on topics like "metabolism", "glycolysis", "diabetes", (btw - can anyone recommend a good PDF index tool - Lucene is really not easy to plug/play install - I ended up using recursive grep -il on the pdftotext versions to track down docs (very 1993) - but surely someone has solved the problem of indexing 16,000 PDFs in a directory - google fu did not yield much, surprisingly) - I realized that I needed to pick up more education.

      Two books I'm making my way through:

        o Essential Cell Biology, Second Edition - $7+shipping.[1]
        o Lehninger Principles of Biochemistry, Fourth Edition - $14+Shipping. [2]
       
      Plus, the one I really, really want - but used 2004 editions are insanely expensive, and there has been a lot of useful developments in nutrition and metabolism since 1999

        o Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism [3]
      
      Thank goodness for a generous "Amazon.com Look Inside" allowance - I've probably spent about 10+ Hours perusing this book.

      My takeaway, after admittedly putting only three or four months into this topic, is the following:

        o Very little has been donein the way of double-blinded,
          placebo controlled, rigorous nutrition studies.
      
        o The few that _have_ done these studies, have usually 
          come in with an agenda (Low Fat, Low Cholesterol, Low
          Carb).
      
        o For how important this whole field is, it's amazing 
          that we've invested so little.
      
      So yes - most cereal (the exception potentially being anything your Paleo ancestors would have recognized as cereal) is probably bad for you. I'll go farther than the OP and say you're probably kidding yourself if you think that "Corn Flakes" or "Crispy Crunch" is significantly better than "Fruit Loops" - it might be marginally better, but none of the refined stuff is doing great things for the western metabolism.

      [1] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081533480X

      [2] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0716743396

      [3] http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrition-Metabolism-Sareen-G...

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