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    Verizon Math

    verizonmath.blogspot.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2009

    Verizon Math documents a recorded customer call with Verizon in which agents confuse dollars and cents in a per-kilobyte data rate.

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    What HN says

    HN links it as a classic example of billing confusion and bad customer support, often when discussing AI or human phone agents.

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    34HN people shared it
    3linked in comments
    5story points
    Jul 2026last shared
    2009people per year2026

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Verizon doesn't know Dollars from Cents (2006)
      19 people · 3 points · first shared 2009 · Discussion on HN
    2. 2
      Verizon Math
      10 people · 2 points · first shared 2011 · 1 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Verizon doesnt know dollars from cents
      2 people · first shared 2012
    4. 4
      Original recording of verizon customer
      2 people · first shared 2013
    5. 5
      Verizon doesnt know dollars from cents
      1 person · first shared 2026
    6. 6
      Original recording of verizon customer
      1 person · first shared 2014
    7. 7
      Verizon doesnt know dollars from cents
      1 person · first shared 2015

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • appleflaxenJan 2014

      Your pricing page is not as clear as it could be.

      When people read "$0.001 each" they sometimes understand it to be one thousandth of a cent rather than one thousandth of a dollar.

      Even though you are completely correct/accurate, people find it confusing (1).

      Wouldn't it be clearer to say "1 cent fore every ten uses" (or "10 calls for a cent" or "a tenth of a penny per call")?

      Admittedly, your audience is semi-technical, and should parse it correctly, but why not simplify it?

      [1] http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/

    • xyzzyzAug 2011

      It's interesting how easily people mistake orders of magnitude when they are using different units of measure simultanously -- in the article you linked, first they say:

      give it a mark-up from 0.03p to 95p per half litre;

      and then:

      In other words, Dasani is less healthy than regular tap water, but at more than thirty times the price.

      It's not thirty times the price -- it's three thousand.

      It reminds me of a Verizon Math story[1].

      [1] - http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/

    • patmccApr 2023

      I care a lot more about outcomes than whether the person I'm talking to is "real" or not. If my bill gets corrected by an AI but not a person? I'll take the AI.

      Think of the classic "is 0.002 cents the same as 0.002 dollars?" call - https://verizonmath.blogspot.com/ - I just tested, and chatGPT seems to understand the difference - so maybe this would be a case where the AI is better.

    • biotJul 2012

      As a counterpoint, I think in cents per minute regarding phone calls. I can translate $0.008 with a bit of thought but 0.8 cents is immediately obvious. Perhaps that would trip up people at Verizon[0] who think 0.99 cents is equal to 99 cents, but I think your units are fine as-is.

      [0] http://verizonmath.blogspot.ca/2006/12/verizon-doesnt-know-dollars-from-cents.html

    • paulgbJun 2009

      It has to help that he's semi-famous. I remember the exact same thing happening to a Verizon customer a few years back, and it certainly took longer than 5 hours for him to get his money back.

      http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/2006/12/verizon-doesnt-know-dollars-from-cents.html (the audio link has gone dead)

      These companies need to learn math.

    • john_strinlaiJun 2026

      ah, verizon and billing mistakes, name a more iconic duo.

      immediately reminded me of the "verizon doesn't know dollars from cents" phone call circa 2006.

      https://verizonmath.blogspot.com/2006/12/verizon-doesnt-know-dollars-from-cents.html

      https://verizonmath.blogspot.com/2007/08/original-recording-of-verizon-customer.html

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