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    Doron Zeilberger

    math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg · Personal blog · on HN since 2009

    Doron Zeilberger, a Rutgers mathematician, writes opinionated essays on discrete math, computer-assisted proofs, and his view of how mathematics should be done.

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    What HN says

    HN commenters cite his opinion essays and papers, and note he lists his computer, Shalosh Ekhad, as a coauthor. Little evaluation of the writing itself.

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    34HN people shared it
    18linked in comments
    175story points
    Nov 2019last shared
    2009people per year2019

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      The Shocking State of Contemporary "Mathematics"
      2 people · 55 points · first shared 2009 · 40 comments on HN
    2. 2
      The Human Obsession With "Formal Proofs" is a Waste of Time
      1 person · 38 points · first shared 2009 · 28 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Doron Zeilberger on computer-assisted proofs
      2 people · 27 points · first shared 2011 · 6 comments on HN
    4. 4
      The Mathematical Opinions of Dr. Doron Zeilberger
      6 people · 19 points · first shared 2009 · 8 comments on HN
    5. 5
      Don't Fall In Love With Your Model: The Cautionary Tale of my Recent proof that P=NP
      2 people · 13 points · first shared 2009 · 9 comments on HN
    6. 6
      What About "Quarter Einsteins"?
      1 person · 5 points · first shared 2010 · Discussion on HN
    7. 7
      My Two Favorite Pedagogical Principles (2005)
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      RENE: a Maple package for stating and proving theorems in Geometry
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2009 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      “Real” Analysis is a degenerate case of of discrete analysis [pdf]
      3 people · 2 points · first shared 2009 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      Dr. Zeilberger's Crystal Clear Calculus Handouts (First Edition)
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2009 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • alextpJul 2009

      SAT is the boolean satisfiability problem, a simple NP-complete problem often used to prove the other problems are NP-complete. An instance of SAT is a boolean formula, and the answer to it is yes if and only if the formula can be true for some assignment of variables. 3SAT is the same problem, only with the formula in a conjunctive normal form and each clause having exactly three variables.

      Also, it seems the poster is really just trying to get attention. Complexity theorists do know all that and have spent a lot of time trying to see which postulated consequences of P?=NP are necessary and which are not.

      (If I were to argue it is an ill-posed question, I'd go more in the direction of CO-NP (which is the set of problems for which "NO" answers have short certificates), and why this really strong emphasys on "yes" certificates for NP problems)

      Doron Zeilberger's take on that ( http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion98.html ) is a lot more interesting.

      And, also, the "easy" equals "polynomial time" is (a) a good heuristic, if you assume computational power increases exponentially (hence, a problem will be solvable in the foreseeable future if all it needs is polynomially more processing power for larger instances); (b) it is an easy to study class, since it is composable; (c) not the only thing complexity theorists argue about (ie, P=NP means practical bounds for some problems and collapses a lot of classes that are not trivially seen to be equal, like AM and MA)

    • chriswarboJun 2016

      Correction, tons of physicists use real values (or complex real values) in their calculations. That doesn't imply that the corresponding values in the world are irrational, transcendental, infinitely-precise, etc.

      There are a few ways we can avoid the reals in physics.

      Abstractly, there are results such as Skolem's "paradox" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skolem%27s_paradox ) which tell us that theories involving uncountable sets (such as the reals) can be satisfied by countable models.

      More concretely, physicists never manipulate real numbers directly; only symbols which may represent real numbers. Such symbolic manipulation could, in principle, be performed by a turing machine, and hence any value obtained from such theories (e.g. experimental predictions) must be in the set of computable numbers. Hence the reals are just an 'implementation detail' of any theory, and their purported presence cannot have any influence on the theory's predictions.

      As I said previously, I have nothing against the reals as a useful mathematical tool; I just disagree with the name, and claims that they are physically real. Others go further though, arguing that discrete mathematics is more general and useful than continuous, e.g. http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/OPINIONS.html

    • mathgeniusJul 2016

      Thankyou for writing this. As a humble seer trying to find his way in this world of bean-counters, I really appreciate it.

      Doron Zeilberger has written about this aswell:

      """
      The usual names are "theory-builders" vs. "problem-solvers", but these two protoypes of mathematicians also appear under various other appellations. Some other names are strategists vs. tacticians, "monkeys that climb up the tree" vs. "monkeys that climb down", globalists vs. localists, and folowing א ח ד ה ע ם, I once called them prophets vs. priests.
      """ [1]

      > something to help fund the Seers, à la startup incubator

      The problem with this is that the Seers tend to sound like crazy people (and alot of them probably are just nuts). Especially to a craftperson, they really struggle to follow the seer. John Baez is a good example of someone who can balance the Seer with the craft, but i've noticed he will team up with someone who is more seer than he is to get those really good ideas.

      [1] http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion95.html

    • tokenadultAug 2011

      Grothendieck "died" in the sense meant by Paul Erdos (stopped doing new mathematical research) at a surprisingly young age, while Israel Gelfand kept going into his nineties, not "dying" (ceasing to be a mathematician) until he "left" (died in the usual sense of the term).

      http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion62.html

      Gelfand was a mathematician who also cared deeply about mathematics pedagogy, and his textbooks are delightful.

      http://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Israel-M-Gelfand/dp/0817636773

      http://www.amazon.com/Functions-Graphs-Dover-Books-Mathematics/dp/0486425649/

      http://www.amazon.com/Method-Coordinates-I-M-Gelfand/dp/0817635335/

      http://www.amazon.com/Trigonometry-I-M-Gelfand/dp/0817639144/

      Gelfand poses delightful problems that give students a workout in arithmetic (and CAN'T be done with a calculator) and that build conceptual understanding and interest in higher mathematics.

    • GregBuchholzNov 2016

      For anyone who might be misled, here are some links that people can use to judge for themselves how "crank" someone is:

      Professor Norman Wildberger's homepage:

      http://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norman/

      ...a paper by Wildberger tackling some of the issues in this thread:

      Set Theory: Should You Believe?

      http://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norman/papers/SetTheory.pdf

      Some interesting works by Gregory Chaitin

      Meta Math! The Quest for Omega

      https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0404335

      Exploring Randomness

      https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/ait/

      How Real are Real Numbers?

      https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0411418

      People who are interested in ultrafinitism would also want to check out Doron Zeilberger

      http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/

      and

      Edward Nelson

      https://web.math.princeton.edu/~nelson/

    • dxbydtJan 2012

      It reminded me of what Dr. Doron Zeilberger has been repeating ad-nauseam ( eg: http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/Opinion36.html )
      Ultimately automated theorem provers are going to rule. Dr.Z actually takes the very radical stand of calling all paper-pencil math proofs of Paul Erdos trivial, whereas "Theorems that only computers can prove...are not quite as trivial". The fact that we have to reach out to a computer to assist in solving min-sudoko is unfortunate but at the same time, inevitable. Dr. Z mentions Four Color Theorem, Kepler's Conjecture, and Conway's Lost Cosmological Theorem as other theorems only computers can solve.

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