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    MacDaddy

    macdaddy.io · Personal blog · on HN since 2015

    A Mac developer's blog on Apple hardware and software, including MacBook Pro limits, APFS and backup, and small Mac tools.

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    What HN says

    HN commenters cite it to explain why the 2016 MacBook Pro stuck to 16GB (LPDDR3 power use) and recommend its APFS backup article.

    Stats for nerds
    16HN people shared it
    17linked in comments
    795story points
    Mar 2021last shared
    2015people per year2021

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining
      1 person · 267 points · first shared 2017 · 206 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Why the MacBook Pro Is Limited to 16GB of RAM
      9 people · 257 points · first shared 2016 · 349 comments on HN
    3. 3
      APFS – A Backup Software Developer’s Perspective
      2 people · 168 points · first shared 2017 · 53 comments on HN
    4. 4
      Stuck between a rock and a hard placem: An explanation of Apple’s new MBP
      3 people · 79 points · first shared 2016 · 58 comments on HN
    5. 5
      Show HN: A tool to make a bootable USB installer out of macOS, or download it
      2 people · 7 points · first shared 2015 · 2 comments on HN
    6. 6
      Show HN: Style – Similar to Prisma for Mac/Win
      1 person · 6 points · first shared 2016 · 4 comments on HN
    7. 7
      Thunderbolt 3: A Mac Pro killer?
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Mac Battery Guru
      2 people · 3 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      Show HN: Extract the contents of files using data recovery techniques in macOS
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2019 · 1 comments on HN
    10. 10
      Can Thunderbolt 3 make the Mac Pro and PC form factor obsolete?
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • skunkworkerMar 2021

      It was Intel's fault that there was no low power memory controller that would work with 32gb for a laptop.

      There were definitely PC laptops available with 32gb of ram, but the wired powered consumption doubles from ~6 to ~11/12 watts [1] [2]

      Reviews of pc laptops at the time (eg: Skylake) with 32/64gb of ram showed some detrimental battery life and it appears in Apple's case it wasn't a tradeoff they were willing to make.

      To me it seems as though Apple gave up and just put DDR4 into their laptop anyway and also increased the battery W-h from 76Wh in the 2016 model [3] to 83.6Wh in the 2018 [4] thus offsetting some of the battery life issues but there may have been other hardware improvements that reclaimed some battery life.

      As for the 13 inch MBP, the 2020 model was the first to include LPDDR4X and could allow the bump to go to 32gb but is much more battery constrained at 58Wh. [5]

      [1] https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/
      [2] https://www.crucial.com/support/articles-faq-memory/how-much-power-does-memory-use
      [3] https://support.apple.com/kb/SP749?locale=en_US
      [4] https://support.apple.com/kb/SP776?locale=en_US
      [5] https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/

    • feelixDec 2015

      I would love to go to WWDC. However isn't having the honor of paying the 2k or so a bit like winning lotto? I mean - since you have to enroll to be (hopefully) selected as one of the lucky few who can attend, and if you're selected you're allowed to pay them to attend?

      I have been a solo mac developer for the past 15 years or so (you can see my stuff at http://macdaddy.io), and I have never been able to attend a WWDC. It does strike me as unfair when I see other companies having the opportunity to attend, getting advice and recognition, and then getting featured by Apple and so forth. I have seen other companies allowed to have their apps on the mac app store which require root access, while I write a competing app data recovery app and it's never allowed on the mac app store - only to see that they blogged about attending WWDC and rubbing shoulders with the right people at Apple. Sometimes I feel that I write good software, but I lack the political connections to make real progress.

    • simonhJun 2018

      Of course, but it's a tradeoff. These low power low profile Intel CPUs can support more memory, but only DDR4 which is desktop class RAM with more than double the power requirements in use, and four to ten times the power usage in sleep mode.

      The logic board would also have the redesigned and bigger for the new chipset, putting pressure on battery space. You see Microsoft making the same choice as Apple with the new Surface laptop.

      Fortunately Intel are launching new mobile chips with support for fast, low power LPDDR3E memory over 16GB this year.

      https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/

    • rayinerDec 2016

      > They could've decided to not sacrifice weight or size for battery power.

      Using DDR4 would have been a major regression even if they stuck to the old form factor. It uses a lot more power, especially on standby: https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram.

      There is a reason that all the PC laptops that have great battery life either have big external batteries (T460), or also use LPDDR and have a 16GB limit (Surface Pro, XPS13). Comparably-sized machines that use regular DDR (e.g. XPS15), either downgrade to a much less power-hungry 1080p display, or have only 5-6 hours of battery life.

    • jpalomakiJun 2018

      "Considering that a 76 watt-hour battery is used in the 15 inch machines, they could have made the battery 30% bigger to hit the ceiling imposed by the Federal Aviation Administration, and they still wouldn’t have had the same battery life as they do now by using LPDDR memory." [1]

      [1] https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/

    • kayooneJun 2018

      I think the reason is LPDDR3 which only goes up to 16GB with Intels chipsets, they would need to use Desktop class ram to go above which uses a lot more power.

      [1] https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/

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