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    Financial Cryptography

    financialcryptography.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2008

    Ian Grigg and contributors write about cryptography, digital money, financial regulation, and security, with a long-running archive.

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    What HN says

    HN links it for posts on government surveillance access, anti-money-laundering seizures, and Ian Grigg's claims about Satoshi Nakamoto and Craig Wright.

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    22HN people shared it
    41linked in comments
    161story points
    Aug 2018last shared
    2008people per year2018

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Moles at Major US Providers May Be Granting Direct, Live Access to the NSA, FBI
      5 people · 34 points · first shared 2013 · 3 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Bright people fooling themselves ?
      1 person · 19 points · first shared 2010 · 7 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Why the browsers must change their old SSL security (?) model
      2 people · 13 points · first shared 2010 · 8 comments on HN
    4. 4
      How the FATF brought down modern civilisation
      1 person · 11 points · first shared 2009 · 7 comments on HN
    5. 5
      The Nakamoto Signature
      1 person · 8 points · first shared 2015 · 3 comments on HN
    6. 6
      Founders of SSL call game over?
      1 person · 7 points · first shared 2011 · 8 comments on HN
    7. 7
      Ian Grigg: "Satoshi Nakamoto was cryptography's best-kept secret since Enigma"
      3 people · 5 points · first shared 2016 · 1 comments on HN
    8. 8
      Bitcoin & Gresham's Law - the economic inevitability of Collapse
      1 person · 5 points · first shared 2012 · 1 comments on HN
    9. 9
      The NSA's breach of RSA Inc's crypto: My Answer? avoid American crypto
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2013 · 1 comments on HN
    10. 10
      Code as if everyone is the thief.
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2014 · 1 comments on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • StekoJun 2013

      Just because the government has access to Google's servers doesn't mean Google gave them that access.

      We're all big kids, if you read that the Chinese/Russian/whatever government had access to information straight from Facebook's servers most people wouldn't doubt it for a second and most people would assume they took it through hacking.

      So how can you be surprised that NSA is listening to your Skype calls? Maybe they're using a backdoor made for them, maybe they're using a backdoor MS put in for synergy, maybe they threw a million gpus at it for a few years... And maybe they got permissions from MS, or maybe they social hacked it[1], maybe they take it before it gets to MS's servers. Some of those might be illegal and some not but anyone who's surprised or suddenly outraged has been living under a rock since forever.

      [1] "It is generally done via secret arrangements not with the company, but with the employees. The company does not provide back-door access, but the people do. The trick is to place people with excellent tech skills and dual loyalties into strategic locations in the company. These 'assets' will then execute the work required in secret, and spare the company and most all of their workmates the embarrassment"

      http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001431.html

      I don't see any citation or evidence given for this so this persons claim could just be idle speculation but it's along the lines of what I'd assume. The NSA treats your privacy as a math…

    • fexlJun 2013

      This article discusses how high-level executives and many top engineers might have no idea what is happening:

      https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001431.html

      Excerpt: "How is this apparent contradiction possible? It is generally done via secret arrangements not with the company, but with the employees. The company does not provide back-door access, but the people do. The trick is to place people with excellent tech skills and dual loyalties into strategic locations in the company. These 'assets' will then execute the work required in secret, and spare the company and most all of their workmates the embarrassment. ..."

      In a discussion of this article (on a cryptography list) I observed this incredulous response: "Hmm. So what does that mean a team of ex-military/intelligence security
      people work there way up or get assistance with contacts and references,
      replace all the key people in a companies inner security department and
      start coding up backdoors, APIs and allowing VPN access to it? All without
      telling anyone or getting noticed by ops people etc."

      To which the other party retorted: "Been there. They are noticed, but you get orders from on high to shut up and not notice."

      If that's all true, then it sounds like only a very few engineers and managers acting as moles will have specific knowledge of the program. A few non-mole engineers will sense that something's afoot, but they'll stay mum. Maybe that's as far as it goes.

    • mbgaxyzAug 2018

      From Ian Grigg's latest blog post:

      > Such a chama was Satoshi Nakamoto. It’s apparent from what is now publicly known that the famous team worked in both excessive secrecy but very high trust. This handful of professionals from the Internet security field contributed jointly and separately to code, keys, design, vision, business, documentation, communications and opsec. As a common enterprise with a shared goal, enveloped in a dangerous environment, the Satoshi Nakamotii, various, faced more or less the same challenges that the members of any chama would face in Kibera: work in secret, protect the assets or be robbed and destroyed. Stay close to the vision, stay the long path, and in perhaps the ultimate irony, don’t allow personalities to be swayed by success.

      > You don’t have to believe me that Satoshi Nakamoto was a chama — and the surviving members may also be bemused and disagreeable. I care little for their bemusement or your disbelief, as being bemused and disagreeable is just evidence of a twitter handle or a reddit post and most people out there are incapable of dealing with that simple scientific logic: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

      For reference, the same author posted in May 2016:

      "SATOSHI IS DEAD - LONG LIVE SATOSHI - TEAM LEADER COMES OUT"

      http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001593.html

    • iang_fcMay 2014

      The first link above, "Momentum Accounting" is a very different use of the term "triple entry". Arguably, it has a better claim to the use of the term accounting because it is higher layer.

      The second link is more or less the same thing as the posted paper, within the bounds of journalism. Which concept probably has a better claim to the term bookkeeping because it is lower layer.

      Igor also describes the same thing, more or less, in a really good hacker's guide to Bitcoin:

      http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001499.html

      Where it gets interesting is whether Bitcoin can be considered triple-entry. I think with a fair stab, yes:

      http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001325.html

      But we will have to let the serious accountants and also historians have their say on this one.

    • olefooApr 2015

      On a related note Ian Griggs just posted an excellent blog post ( http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001554.html ) about the corruption inherent in allowing agencies to seize funds for their own use. It's written mostly in the context of anti-money-laundering regulations and focuses on the Silk Road investigators who ripped off hundreds of criminals and extorted the subjects of their investigation.

      It points out that anytime a law enforcement agency is allowed to seize funds that flow to it's own budget, corruption inevitably follows.

    • mdpopescuAug 2018

      I find it interesting that Stefan Brands [1] solved the zero-knowledge authentication problem a couple of decades ago and his tools are still not widely applied. Given my bias against imaginary property, I believe that's because his patents on them are still valid -- and apparently owned by Microsoft at the moment [2].

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Brands
      [2] http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001011.html

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