Jeremy Howard
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52:09 · 55K views · Oct 29, 2020
Jeremy Howard defends Jupyter notebooks as a serious development environment, especially when paired with nbdev. He responds directly to Joel Grus's talk about why he dislikes notebooks, and contrasts REPL-style and notebook-style work.
Whenever notebooks get criticized, HN commenters point to it as the standard rebuttal from a prominent practitioner.
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If you haven't yet: I think both talks are very worth watching: I don't like notebooks ( [LINK] ) by Joel Grus I like notebooks ( this video ) by Jeremy Howard notebooks are a very interesting medium and they have both shortcomings as well as things they are great at and neither were totally obvious to me.
That video cannot be seen without watching Jeremy Howard's rebuttal: I Like Notebooks. I also believe this was the video that got him kicked out of a conference(?) because it was too confrontational? Which was just ugly for a guy who clearly loves being an educator. [0] this video
I strongly recommend Jeremy Howard's (founder of fast.ai) recent talk - "I Like Notebooks" ( this video ). He addresses some of the concerns/critiques about jupyter notebooks.
No that's not the reason - or at least, not for everyone. I created nbdev. I've been coding for over 30 years, and spent over 10 years using R and S-PLUS. I've used Delphi, Visual Studio, Emacs, vim, vscode, and many other editors and IDEs, including many with integrated line-oriented REPLs. There's a big difference between a line-oriented plain text REPL, and a Mathematica/Jupyter-style notebook REPL, especially when you want to mix and match your charts, image outputs, rich table outputs, interactive JS outputs, and so forth. Also, for experimentation, where you want to go back and change things to see what happens (e.g. very common in data science) I find it much easier and more understandable in a notebook. I have a video where I show the difference between these styles of working in some detail: this video
A from-scratch rewrite of nbdev was released today -- details on what's new are in the launch post: [LINK] Let me know if you have any questions or comments -- I'm the lead dev on the project. (If you're in the "I don't like notebooks" camp, please watch this first: this video )