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    Michael Nielsen – How science actually progresses

    Dwarkesh Podcast · Apr 7, 2026 · 2 h 03 min
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    Really enjoyed chatting with Michael Nielsen about how we recognize scientific progress. It's especially relevant for closing the RL verification loop for scientific discovery. But it's also a surprisingly mysterious and elusive question when you look at the history of human science. We approach this question stories like Einstein (who claimed that he hadn't even heard of the famous…

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