Episode
Ilya Sutskever — We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research
Dwarkesh Podcast · Nov 25, 2025 · 1 h 36 min
Ilya & I discuss SSI’s strategy, the problems with pre-training, how to improve the generalization of AI models, and how to ensure AGI goes well. Watch on YouTube ; read the transcript . Sponsors * Gemini 3 is the first model I’ve used that can find connections I haven’t anticipated. I recently wrote a blog post on RL’s information efficiency, and Gemini 3 helped me think it all through. It also…