Episode
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? — Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken
Dwarkesh Podcast · May 22, 2025 · 2 h 24 min
New episode with my good friends Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken . Sholto focuses on scaling RL and Trenton researches mechanistic interpretability, both at Anthropic. We talk through what’s changed in the last year of AI research; the new RL regime and how far it can scale; how to trace a model’s thoughts; and how countries, workers, and students should prepare for AGI. See you next year for…