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    Benn Jordan thinks the surveillance problem is much bigger than Flock

    Decoder with Nilay Patel · Oct 15, 2026 · 1 h 02 min

    Today, I’m talking with Benn Jordan, musician, YouTuber, researcher, and investigative journalist. In the last couple of years, Benn has become a high-profile face in the creator and media spaces for his work investigating Flock Safety, the maker of automatic license plate readers and the software that powers them. Benn recently testified in front of Congress at a hearing dedicated to Flock and…

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