The Internet of Garbage

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1. wpietriSep 2022
   > > people who advocate for exterminating Jews and returning Black people to slavery

   > Literally no one does that. You are imagining things.

   You are obviously not a serious participant here. These people exist. They existed before the internet, and the internet has, to my great disappointment, only enabled their spread.

   There's a ton you could read, but maybe start with Neiwert's "God's Country" and "Alt-America", which document the pre- and post-Internet versions of America's white supremacist movement.

   > Abusive is a relative and in this context meaningless word.

   That is also embarrassingly ignorant. If you'd like to learn something, maybe try Citron's "Hate Crimes in Cyberspace", Warren's "Targeted and Trolled", Jeong's "The Internet of Garbage", and Bancroft's "Why Does He Do That".

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2. kevinburkeDec 2016
   I would recommend you read "The Internet of Garbage" by Sarah Jeong, which tackles this argument in a lot of depth. It's also very cheap for an e-book!
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3. geofftSep 2015
   Sarah Jeong's recent book The Internet of Garbage has a good discussion of the benefits and drawbacks of handling abuse as if it were spam, and argues in favor of a solution that is technically similar to current spam filtering, though not the same. Well worth reading for anyone interested in building productive solutions to the problem of abuse.
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4. geofftJan 2016
   Have you read Sarah Jeong's The Internet of Garbage?

   http://www.amazon.com/Internet-Garbage-Sarah-Jeong-ebook/dp/...

   https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Sarah_Jeong_The_... (DRM-free)

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5. geofftSep 2015
   Yup. Quoting Sarah Jeong's The Internet of Garbage:

   "The strict 'hacker' definition of 'dropping dox,' as it was initially phrased, involves the publication of documentation (or 'docs'/'dox'). As Schneier points out, these can be addresses, phone numbers, financial information, medical records, emails, and so forth. The part where the definition of 'doxing' gets murky is that the word's prominent appearances in the media haven't involved dropping dox at all. Rather, it's come (sometimes!) to signify the unmasking of anonymous internet users without their consent. ....

   "The idea that a 'full name' can constitute a dox represents an understanding that in some contexts, the publication of a legal name serves as an incitement to drop a full dox. Through Google and other databases, a full name can lead to other details...."

   While I absolutely think no good would have come out of de-anonymizing SLJ, it wouldn't really be doxing (unless they had somehow attracted people that had an interest in attacking their home, embarrassing them in front of their employer, etc.).

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6. geofftAug 2015
   There are some echoes here, I think, of Sarah Jeong's thesis in The Internet of Garbage about how copyright laws aren't anti-harassment or privacy laws, how they make terrible anti-harassment or privacy laws, and how victims feel like they're the only option, which is just bad for everyone.

   Your friends need better support from society. Some of that support may be from the laws (against death threats, slander, etc.). Some of that support needs to come from outside the laws, in the form of more speech countering the incorrect speech, as well as in the form of norms on civilized behavior. Some of that needs to come from a greater willingness to talk about where the food we eat comes from, how it doesn't just show up magically on grocery store shelves.

   But bad laws won't help them in the long run, nor will they help society.

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