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    Cover of Prosperity without growth

    Prosperity without growth

    Jackson, Tim · 2009

    Economics & Finance
    Open LibraryAmazon
    Stats for nerds
    4recommend
    8mentions
    7people
    2011–2022years
    50% recommend50% neutral

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    1. luis_choMar 2022
      What you are talking its called environmental decoupling. Studies suggest that is not possible to have absolute environmental decoupling globally.

      Absolute decoupling is when emissions going down while we have economic growth, relative decoupling is when emissions diverge from economic growth. The last one os insufficient for mitigate climate change.

      https://eeb.org/library/decoupling-debunked/

      Another good resource is Tim Jackson "Prosperity without Growth".

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    2. throwaway35784Nov 2019
      Read "prosperity without growth" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_Without_Growth
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    3. digitalWestieJan 2013
      if you liked this post I'd recommend reading Prosperity without Growth - http://www.sd-commission.org.uk/publications.php?id=914
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    4. sseefriedFeb 2011
      I have read through these pages. Undoubtedly many of the things he states, particularly with respect to how long nuclear energy could supply us, are correct but only under the assumption that we don't continue to increase our usage of energy. It's hard to see how that assumption holds in a world that is continually growing its economies. Exponential functions grow very fast. (See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY)

      You may then counter that a decoupling of economic growth from its material and energy underpinnings is possible. This has yet to be effectively proven. We have only seen partial decoupling so far. For more information on this see the writings of Tim Jackson in his book Prosperity without Growth.

      I also urge you to download this spreadsheet (from the BP website) showing the growth in usage of fossil fuels (http://tinyurl.com/2yhx7d). We may find alternatives to these but if we do, we will have to bring the alternatives online at roughly the same level to supply our societies with the energy they now require to function. This is no easy feat. It's good know, quantitatively, just what's required.

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    5. roymurdockJun 2017
      This book Prosperity Without Growth [1] is a decent start from the perspective of an economist/environmentalist. It's somewhat hampered by the author's failure to rigorously define terms (a serious no-no for any economic/philosophical argument) but contains some good ideas.

      Another great read from a more relate able angle is The Omnivore's Dilemma which doesn't address the issue very directly, but shows in painstaking detail how the US food chain has moved from a renewable solar base to one derived entirely from corn, which in turn relies on cheap petrochemical sources to grow at the speed, intensity, and volume that we grow it in the US.

      Check out the reviews for both books as well - many of them cite other important works in the genre.

      [1] https://www.amazon.com/Prosperity-without-Growth-Economics-F...

      [2] https://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dilemma-Natural-History-Mea...

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    6. mBs5XvbxGwKoQcIApr 2017
      For those that have read the book "Prosperity Without Growth" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_Without_Growth), what do you think of the ideas, notions and concepts contained within it?

      More specifically:

      1) Do you agree/disagree with the premise that is the first half of the book?

      2) What do you think about the framework (for solution) outlined in the second half of the book?

      For those that haven't read it, I recommend that you do.

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