Name: Killers of the Flower Moon
ISBN: 9780593470831

Killers of the Flower Moon

In the 1920s, the richest people per capita in the world were members of the Osage Nation in Oklahoma. After oil was discovered beneath their land, the Osage rode in chauffeured automobiles, built mansions, and sent their children to study in Europe. Then, one by one, the Osage began to be killed off. The family of an Osage woman, Mollie Burkhart, became a prime target. One of her relatives was shot. Another was poisoned. And it was just the beginning, as more and more Osage were dying under mysterious circumstances, and many of those who dared to investigate the killings were themselves murdered. As the death toll rose, the newly created FBI took up the case, and the young director, J. Edgar Hoover, turned to a former Texas Ranger named Tom White to try to unravel the mystery. White put together an undercover team, including a Native American agent who infiltrated the region, and together with the Osage began to expose one of the most chilling conspiracies in American history.

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BeetleBSep 2026

Just got done reading The Wager - historical nonfiction - same author as Killers of the Flower Moon.

It's quite good - not as good as Killers of the Flower Moon. I won't spoil anything you won't learn from the first few pages. The Wager was a British naval ship in the early 1700s that was lost to inclement weather. All were presumed dead. Some time later a boat arrives in England with a small number of survivors. Then a while later, another boat arrives with some more survivors. They each accuse the other of terrible acts.

The book tells the story of what happened after the ship went down.

It's a good read.

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BeetleBDec 2025

> if you think all the potential value of a fiction book is some commentary padded by a story.

Actually, I'm flipping the two: The potential value of a fiction book is a good story - social commentary is purely optional. Fiction that has commentary padded by a story are valued only by those who are sympathetic to the commentary. Whereas I can easily love a good story even if I disagree with the commentary.

> Good fiction usually exercises the mind in ways a non-fiction book never would. You experience life through someone else's eyes, you try to understand someone's mind by the actions they take and the words they say, you wonder in a meta-plane what the author is trying to show, you see language being used in non-common ways to provoke emotions or express ideas, you wonder how you would have acted in someone's shoes... Saying the author could get to the point quicker is like saying that lifting weights in the gym is done faster with a forklift, the process is the point rather than the extracted output.

I don't think we're in disagreement. I'm merely saying that I've yet to see someone changed by a fiction book. If there was change, it was always "change in the same direction" (e.g. "a renewed appreciation of X").

I have seen plenty of folks changed by nonfiction, though.

Incidentally, most/all of what you wrote above can be done as effectively with nonfiction. Books like When Broken Glass Floats by Chanrithy Him are extremely powerful. As was Killers of the Flower Moon. I doubt any works of fiction dealing with the same topics would be more powerful. Both of these books could have been written (and read) as fiction, but knowing the events were true makes a huge difference in appreciation.

> There is also a fundamental difference between being told 'pain is an unpleasant feeling that living beings take effort to avoid' and being punched in the face. Fiction gives you a fraction of the extra wisdom you get with the latter.

This seems like a false dichotomy. You can have nonfiction do this very effectively without simply "telling" you.

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khazhouxJan 2025

Unfortunately many of the books I had time to read this year were a bust. But here's some of the ones I did appreciate very much:

* Immune: A Journey Into the Mysterious System That Keeps You Alive - Philipp Dettmer.

* The Gene: An Intimate History - Mukherjee. Won't necessarily teach you much new if you've already read a few genetics books, but a fine read nonetheless.

* On Sophistical Refutations - Aristotle. Like anything by Aristotle, read it with a grain of salt and as historical document. Still, it's always a wonder how a text like this can be over 2000 years old.

* Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI - David Grann. Skip the movie and read this instead.

* 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus - Charles Mann. It challenges common misunderstandings of pre-columbian society without being anti-Columbus.

* American History, Combined Edition: 1492-Present - Thomas Kidd. Goes beyond just the usual narratives we are all familiar with. Not recommended as a first American-history deep-dive, but a fine supplement.

* The Man Who Saved Cincinnati - Peter Bronson. Entertaining civil war history book. It's not only about Cincinnati.

* Lincoln: A Life of Purpose and Power - Carwardine.

* The Catalyst: RNA and the Quest to Unlock Life's Deepest Secrets - Thomas Cech. RNA is now kinda required reading since 2020. This is a good starting point.

* The Genetic Book of the Dead: A Darwinian Reverie - Dawkins. His latest is definitely worth a read, like (nearly) all his previous.

* Nexus: A Brief History of Information Networks from the Stone Age to AI - Harari. How information traveled historically, with modern technology, and in the near future. Enlightening and a little scary.

* Beauty and Sadness: Mahler's 11 Symphonies - David Vernon. Even if you haven’t listened to all of Mahler’s symphonies, still very interesting read on “the first modern composer.” If you /are/ familiar with all his symphonies, the book is even better, and it will show you layers you didn’t realize were there... in case the music isn't dense enough to absorb by itself ;-)

Fiction:

* Project Hail Mary - Andy Weir.

* Dark Matter - Blake Crouch.

* Red Rising - Pierce Brown. A light read, maybe will seem derivative at this point but it was fun.

* Rifters Trilogy - Peter Watts. Super bleak, very creative.

* You Like It Darker - Stephen King. Another fine collection of short stories.

* The Forest of Lost Souls - Koontz

* House of Leaves - Danielewski. I waited way too long to read this. As good as everyone said it would be.

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toygJul 2023

Killers of the Flower Moon has a young Hoover in its cast of characters, and it does a pretty good job of describing his rise. It's also a fantastic book in its own right, which should be read before the incoming movie spoils it forever.

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dhrApr 2023

Life on Air by David Attenborough is one of my favorites - it's narrated by the man himself.

Any books by David Grann are great to listen to but I particularly enjoyed Killers of the Flower Moon and Lost City of Z.

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AGivantJan 2021

Here is my list:

Fiction:

* The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue by V.E. Schwab - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50623864-the-invisible-l...

* Shorefall (The Founders Trilogy #2) by Robert Jackson Bennett - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45200535-shorefall

* The Great Alone by Kristin Hannah - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34912895-the-great-alone

WOW, beauty and pain mixed together on canvas of Alaska.

* The Nightingale by Kristin Hannah - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21853621-the-nightingale

What an excellent book! It tells about hardship and sacrifices that people experienced during WW2. But considering current situation (corona virus, economy, etc.) it's 100 time better - it teach us to value simple stuff in our life (cup of coffee, laugh with friends, etc) because it may not last. Live here and now!

* The Ten Thousand Doors of January by Alix E. Harrow - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43521657-the-ten-thousan...

WOW, pure magic on every page!

Non-Fiction:

* Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers by Andy Greenberg - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41436213-sandworm

Excellent book about cyber-security and Russian hacker. If you think it's not related to you, think again! Among their targets were big ports, hospitals in different countries, bank machines in Ukraine, etc. Nobody could be safe with such level of technology spread that we depend more and more each day. USA and Israel did attacks on Iran nuclear program using StuxNet (for excellent account of that check Countdown to Zero Day: Stuxnet and the Launch of the World's First Digital Weapon). But apparently not just USA and Israel can do that, China, North Korea, Russia and other countries are using hackers more than conventional weapons now - and it make sense, cheaper and less dangerous for those who initiated attacks. With coming year we'll see more and more of such issues, so read the book to be prepared to what is coming.

* Fentanyl, Inc.: How Rogue Chemists Are Creating the Deadliest Wave of the Opioid Epidemic by Ben Westhoff - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44643351-fentanyl-inc

Holy shit, what a ride! Drug users, China chemical producer making precursors for fentanyl (which is legal to produce in China and even government subsidy provided in form of tax cuts), Mexican cartels (main supplier to USA), Chinese gangs in Vancouver (main supplier to Canada), people who try to save kids on rave parties by supplying test kits and get kicked out and threaten to be sued.

According to this book fentanyl is more powerful and dangerous then cocaine, heroine and meth. I've never heard about it before this book, it's like an eye-opener.

* Black Edge: Inside Information, Dirty Money, and the Quest to Bring Down the Most Wanted Man on Wall Street by Sheelah Kolhatkar - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32284263-black-edge

The say goes "There are three verdicts: guilty, not guilty and rich". This book shows exactly this. It's better to be rich guy and end up with wrist slap (5% of his net worth - right, it's 800M, but still 5% of 16B). And scapegoat who agreed to help justice will go to jail for long time. Disgusting, but again "greed is good!"

* Capitalism in America: A History by Alan Greenspan, Adrian Wooldridge - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38712616-capitalism-in-a...

Excellent book about different stages of capitalism in America.

When I saw the author is Greenspan I've prepared myself to pages full of "quantitative easing" and "irrational exuberance" sentences. The book was very vivid and refreshing, excellent language and information, highly recommended.

* Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World by David Epstein - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41795733-range

* Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams by Matthew Walker - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34466963-why-we-sleep

Excellent book about sleep and all bad stuff happens to you when you don't get enough of it. Read it!

* The Ravenmaster: My Life with the Ravens at the Tower of London by Christopher Skaife - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37877606-the-ravenmaster

March 2018 we went to London and of course visited Tower. In it we saw some beautiful raven with pink ribbon on it's leg. Thanks to the book I know now it was one of the oldest and smartest raven in the Tower - Merlina. Likes this book a lot, quite interesting read.

* Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI by David Grann - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29496076-killers-of-the-...

First white people stole their land and moved them to some shitty place in middle-of-nowhere. And when oil was found on that land and Osage people become rich from oil leases the same white people was upset and said it's not fair. Some of them went further - they married Osage men and women and started to kill them one by one to get birthright - money for oil.

Another line of that book is how FBI became to be and their first case related to Osage killings.

I was listening to audio version, it's great they have 3 narrators: woman for Osage part, man that sounds like FBI agent (you can hear steel in his voice) and 3rd part narrated by author about his research for the book and other stuff related to it.

Highly recommended!

* Crisis in the Red Zone: The Story of the Deadliest Ebola Outbreak in History, and of the Outbreaks to Come by Richard Preston - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44526650-crisis-in-the-r...

With current corona-virus outbreak it's good to get some perspective on other deadly viruses such as Ebola. Did you know that 1.5 millions die annually from TB alone? How about regular flu - around 60 thousands gone last year. When was last time you worried about TB or flu? We are scared of wrong stuff, stuff they show us on TV with "Breaking News" red color frame. Read the book and get information and most important of all things - wash your hands often!

* Dopesick: Dealers, Doctors, and the Drug Company that Addicted America by Beth Macy - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37486540-dopesick

* Automate This: How Algorithms Came to Rule Our World by Christopher Steiner - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13542772-automate-this

Excellent review on how automation impact all directions of our live (investments, health, dating, education, etc) and how it'll eliminate some professions (such as pharmacist) and replace them with robots. Don't be scared yet, but read the book to find what is waiting us behind the corner. Highly recommended, bought it today on BookOutlet for $5.79 you cannot beat the price - planning to read it more times.

* The Body: A Guide for Occupants by Bill Bryson - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43582376-the-body

WOW, what a ride! This books covers everything from head to toes, telling you how different park of your body function and malfunction. Loved it, planning to read many more time, too much info to digest in one time. Highly recommended!

* Nomadland: Surviving America in the Twenty-First Century by Jessica Bruder - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38212124-nomadland

These people didn't choose to live in RVs and vans, they had no choice due to financial problems (bad investments, Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City, etc). The only way to survive was to hit the road - and they did it. Author has been following nomad people for 3 years on different part of USA (Amazon warehouse in Kentucky which has special program to hire campers for season load, state parks who need people to clean toilets, fill forms, sell campers' stuff, etc, down the south and up to north). It's interesting peek in life of people without home travelling across USA, trying to survive. It shows comradery of people in need, helping each other to survive when times get tough - it could be as simple as loaf of bread or complicated as bunch of mechanics help you to fix your wheels - the only stuff you have to ensure your survival.

When you live day by day sure about where you'll sleep at night or what you will eat for dinner - you don't see life of nomad people, the only way to know it is to read this kind of books - or travel and live with that people (which most of us won't do). So read the book and see other side of USA, one of the richest country in the world where some people are loaf of bread away from been broke.

* The Sun Does Shine: How I Found Life and Freedom on Death Row by Anthony Ray Hinton, Lara Love Hardin, Bryan Stevenson - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34964905-the-sun-does-sh...

Sometimes your only crime is been a black guy and it's enough to send you to death row.

This book resonates with couple of other books I've read recently (The Guardians, American Prison: A Reporter's Undercover Journey into the Business of Punishment, Ghettoside: A True Story of Murder in America and Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City). It shows that sometimes they are not even interested in truth, they just need some scapegoat to put the blame on. It's painful to read about innocent man who spent 28 years behind bar for a crime he didn't commit. On other hand I was amused by his sympathy to other people (KKK guy who claimed to his parents who taught him that way - "this black guy is my friend", organizing book club behind the bar, so you can travel at least in your dreams). This book teaches you to value precious moments of our life, cannot recommend it high enough!

* On the Clock: What Low-Wage Work Did to Me and How It Drives America Insane by Emily Guendelsberger - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42779084-on-the-clock

Excellent overview of current low-paid labor economy in USA (pretty sure it's the same in Canada, England - check out Hired: Six Months Undercover in Low-Wage Britain and everywhere else). She is talking not just about her experience of working for Amazon, calling center and McDonald, but about what's wrong with such low paying jobs (insecurity, level of stress, etc). She did excellent job on connecting dots from low-paid job to elevated level of stress, inability to plan your future (and how could you if you shift can be revealed less than 24 hours before it starts), level of medicine these workers can afford (never would imagine going 4 hours to pick some left-overs of antibiotic, try to fix swallowed tooth by myself, or using horse/dog/fish antibiotics because that all you can afford without medical insurance).

Another sections I liked a lot are related to how stress works on your body (fight-or-flight preparation from the body) and history of Wanda (how technology/society became to be).

I wish they make this book mandatory for kids to read in school so they would pay more attention to home works and getting into universities/colleges (I think kids just don't know what alternatives are - like flipping burgers at McDonald - may be cool when you are 16 years old, but not so cool when you are 30+ and have wife and kids to support - so swallow you pride, smile and get back to work).

Great book, highly recommended to everybody - just to get a perspective what some people going through in their life to put bread on the table. After reading that book you will look different at somebody who takes your order in McDonald, speak to you over the phone about issues or find stuff that you ordered from Amazon. These are people with their problems and troubles which we don't see, so read the book to at least get glimpse of what they are dealing with, such as customers throwing things at you or screaming over the phone.

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