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trod1234May 2025

You seem to be conflating early propaganda, and ideology with memetics.

While it has some of the same elements and is focused on ideology, memetics is quite different. Its improper to say they are the same, or even that Nazism is an example of it (it wasn't). They also don't properly define the term.

Memetics is 5GW. There is a whole host of other material not under that name turned towards the same purpose which is Counterinsurgency (COIN).

Variations on the idea have been used in the private sector, and public sector for decades to control narrative, target activists, and destroy cultural identity.

Further material can be found on COINTELPRO, and its later derivatives (which were published prior to this), as well as the MKULTRA experiments, Stasi's Zersetzung, etc.

Some have said the COPS act passed by Clinton in 94 includes a continuation of the former (COINTELPRO), informally, and it was just reauthorized in 2023.

The TL;DR of memetics is its about gathering experts for the purpose of reducing, eliminating, and manipulating objective reality in people towards subtle brainwashing and thought reform. It leaves nothing off limits, and centralized empires always devolve to abusing and using weapons they build on their own subjects.

An adaptive system (person), uses feedback to adapt. A creature that cannot adapt, or more accurately is made so they cannot adapt, fails Darwin's fitness when the environment becomes chaotic. In other words, extinction, and memetic's focus is cultural contagion, which jumps from person to person across communications mediums.

Its entirely possible to break people reducing them to simplistic automatons incapable of rational thought, and inducing disassociation or psychosis. Mao proved this in the 1950s, its only gotten better with time, and this methodology aims to create structures that self-propagate such things.

Wouldn't it be horrifying if people en-masse just started to go insane. The thought reminds me of a fictional book I read, a series called Weapons of Chaos by Robert Vardeman, where an extinct race created a similar weapon, and its why they went extinct.

Evil people are quite often blind people that are more focused on whether they 'can' do something rather than whether they 'should or ought' to do something.

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giardiniDec 2009

"Alien Message" reminds me of Robert E. Vardeman's "Weapons of Chaos" trilogy: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/v/robert-e-vardeman/

Just as Yudkowsky's short story, those Vardeman novels include advanced aliens living on a much slower time-scale (and much larger space-scale) than we. Man's accidental incursion into their domain triggers a slow-scale attack response that Mankind doesn't at first recognize as intelligent.

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