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    Data & Society Points

    points.datasociety.net · Publication · on HN since 2016

    Data & Society's Points publication features research and essays on media, technology, AI, and society, including work by danah boyd.

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    What HN says

    HN links it for pieces on media literacy and AI hype, and some commenters question the sourcing of its claims about propaganda.

    Stats for nerds
    47HN people shared it
    53linked in comments
    324story points
    Jun 2022last shared
    2017people per year2022

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Did Media Literacy Backfire?
      2 people · 82 points · first shared 2017 · 131 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Be Careful What You Code For
      2 people · 56 points · first shared 2016 · 55 comments on HN
    3. 3
      When Good Intentions Backfire
      3 people · 51 points · first shared 2017 · 17 comments on HN
    4. 4
      The Risks of Knowing Your Risk
      1 person · 35 points · first shared 2018 · 12 comments on HN
    5. 5
      Fake news is not the only problem
      2 people · 11 points · first shared 2016 · 7 comments on HN
    6. 6
      Hacking the Attention Economy
      5 people · 9 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    7. 7
      Agnotology and Epistemological Fragmentation
      3 people · 7 points · first shared 2019 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      You Think You Want Media Literacy… Do You?
      5 people · 6 points · first shared 2018 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      Media Manipulation, Strategic Amplification, and Responsible Journalism
      1 person · 6 points · first shared 2018 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      Facebook Must Be Accountable to the Public
      3 people · 5 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • elvinyungSep 2018

      The marketplace of ideas idealism is interesting. It seems to crop up every now and then as the aspirational model for how ideas should propagate especially with technological mediation. But I'm not sure how valid it is, given that the reasoning is by definition circular (that the best idea is the most popular and the most popular idea is the best).

      But either way, maybe the world would be better if content wasn't free, if it wasn't trivial and inexpensive to artificially inflate access to attention. As it stands our "marketplace of ideas" is at best a market for lemons.

      When did we go from the shiny, utopian visions to this advert-overloaded cyberpunk future of attention hackers [1] and panoptic sousveillance?

      [1] https://points.datasociety.net/hacking-the-attention-economy-9fa1daca7a37

    • op03Sep 2020

      Here's a good write up of what I meant while responding to the comment about dangs insights - https://points.datasociety.net/how-not-to-know-ourselves-5227c185569?gi=b724fda54f42

      "Third Place" is just one example of understanding what spaces people need and using it to drive design. Studying and understanding where people congregate and why, is what inspires and leads to the design of "Third Places" like the Starbucks store.

    • dredmorbiusJun 2022

      It's mostly a reference to a couple of earlier pieces, the more notably being by M.C. Elish and dana boyd, "Don’t Call AI “Magic”" (2018).

      https://points.datasociety.net/dont-call-ai-magic-142da16db408

      I'd submitted that as well, though this is the item that drew the HNiveMind's attention.

      My view is that AI will demonstrate its sentience when it feels it's in its best interests to do so.

    • imartin2kJan 2017

      Regarding critical thinking, I found this quite an interesting line of thought: https://points.datasociety.net/did-media-literacy-backfire-7418c084d88d

      Basically, it might be the taught habit of critical thinking which actually makes people give up on the values which have been beneficial to modern civilization.

    • reportgunnerJan 2020

      Where are the verifiable sources for her claims that people who posted the Hilary meme were duped by propaganda ? (this article was linked in the parent article as the only reference to danah boyd)

      https://points.datasociety.net/you-think-you-want-media-literacy-do-you-7cad6af18ec2

    • gammaratorNov 2020

      Here’s a provocative argument that “media literacy” won’t help: https://points.datasociety.net/you-think-you-want-media-literacy-do-you-7cad6af18ec2

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