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    OpenSSL Rampage

    opensslrampage.org · Publication · on HN since 2014

    OpenSSL Rampage collects commits and commentary from OpenBSD developers as they removed legacy code from OpenSSL, leading to LibreSSL.

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    What HN says

    HN commenters link it as an amusing but horrifying record of the bad code found in OpenSSL, including support for obsolete platforms.

    Stats for nerds
    29HN people shared it
    11linked in comments
    92story points
    Jul 2024last shared
    2014people per year2024

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Some commits from OpenBSD's OpenSSL rampage
      19 people · 66 points · first shared 2014 · 3 comments on HN
    2. 2
      OpenSSL Valhalla Rampage
      2 people · 15 points · first shared 2014 · 3 comments on HN
    3. 3
      LibreSSL 2.0.1
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    4. 4
      LibreSSL now turns off SSL 3 by default as a fix for POODLE
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    5. 5
      What's the use in having a bugtracker if you never read it?
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      The future (or lack thereof) of LibreSSL's FIPS Object Module
      1 person · 1 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    7. 7
      Add support for the french ANSSI FRP256v1 elliptic curve
      1 person · 1 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Well even if time isnt random your rsa
      3 people · first shared 2015
    9. 9
      Page 49
      2 people · first shared 2016
    10. 10
      The future or lack thereof of libressls fips
      1 person · first shared 2020

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • dredmorbiusApr 2014

      Ironically, I've been having the other side of this argument over on Diaspora: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3918657

      No, open source is not, in and of itself, sufficient.

      I do believe increasingly, however, that it is necessary.

      But so are other attributes: a healthy development culture, an approach which preemptively seeks out and eliminates security threats and holes, and most importantly, operates with the end-user as a primary focus. Projects with a strong record of this include OpenBSD (which is now conducting a focused effort to clean up the OpenSSL code: http://opensslrampage.org/) and the Debian project (with formal social contract, constitution, and policy all of which put the interests of the end-user front and center). While Debian's had its security snafus, particularly relative to OpenBSD, among Linux distros it's tended to be among the more secure and security-conscious distros, in my experience.

      But projects with a long track record of disdain also tend to show themselves for want of strong security: PHP, awstats, GNOME, and more recently, systemd, all come to mind. I have grave concerns over the damage the latter is now in a position to do, and the fact that one dev has already been denied privileges to submit kernel patches by Linus Torvalds doesn't do much to increase my confidence.

    • ForestCMar 2015

      >as we saw with Heartbleed, the "many eyes" theory is flawed as well.

      I don't think Heartbleed counts as some sort of evidence against the "many eyes" paradigm. There are so many better bugs for that, as Heartbleed is really low hanging fruit. OpenSSL is a total nightmare. I've posted elsewhere about this at length - but in short OpenSSL is really an example of what a good program _shouldn't_ do. How a good program _shouldn't_ be written. There is a list of sins a mile long on http://opensslrampage.org/.

      The truth is that there is no guarantee that Windows, Linux, or BSD are not backdoored by the NSA, GCHQ, or FSB. There's no guarantee you didn't get owned and Chuck Blackhat installed a backdoor on your computer. The real reason to use OpenBSD is because it's had less remote exploits in the past 15 years than Windows has had in the past year. The real reason to use Linux and BSD is because that software respects your freedom. If you don't care about things like software freedom or if you feel the security of Windows is "good enough" for what you're doing then of course you don't care about Linux and BSD.

    • dfcApr 2014

      In case your cvs-fu is rusty FreshBSD[1] or OpenSSL Rampage[2] provide an easy way of keeping an eye on the changes. One of my favorites so far is: "Remove hacky workaround for Cray T3E," as in the debuted in 1995, Cray Research T3E.[3]

      -/* Added for T3E, address-of fails on bit field (beckman@acl.lanl.gov) */
      -#ifndef BIT_FIELD_LIMITS
      memcpy(&server.sin_addr.s_addr, ip, 4);
      -#else
      - memcpy(&server.sin_addr, ip, 4);
      -#endif

      [^1]: http://freshbsd.org/search?project=openbsd&q=project%3Aopenbsd+lib%2Flibssl%2F

      [^2]: http://opensslrampage.org/

      [^3]: http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/01f41ed5b37037b963c0de2c25a84f35390455a2

      [^3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_T3E

    • zytekApr 2014

      Some of it:

      todo: do not leave 15 year old todo lists in the tree.

      This code is the reason perl has a name as a write only language.

      Remove oh-so-important-from-a-security-pov OpenSSL_rtdsc() function.

      Do not feed RSA private key information to the random subsystem as entropy.
      It might be fed to a pluggable random subsystem.... What were they thinking?!

      <RANT> Whoever thought that RAND_screen(), feeding the PRNG with the contents
      of the local workstation's display, under Win32, was a smart idea,
      ought to be banned from security programming. </RANT>

      Edit: just noticed, there's a BLOG with it.. http://opensslrampage.org/

    • coldpieJun 2020

      Back around the time of Heartbleed, there was a bunch of childish[1,2] attention given to OpenSSL's warts, mostly centered around the OpenBSD fork called LibreSSL, which stripped out a lot bad, old code and code for non-Unix platforms.

      Unsurprisingly, the childish attention faded into nothing because it's much harder to write good code than it is to tear apart someone else's. But the smear on the OpenSSL volunteers' reputation remains, as seen by GP's comment.

      [1] https://opensslrampage.org/page/49

      [2] https://opensslrampage.org/post/83555615721/the-future-or-lack-thereof-of-libressls-fips

    • apiMay 2015

      "demonstrably safe" -- this is another issue I have with this crypto conservative FUD.

      "Use SSL, don't roll your own!"

      Then we get BEAST, CRIME, Heartbleed, etc., and we discover that the dominant SSL/TLS implementation is a rat's nest of comically awful code:

      http://opensslrampage.org

      Look at the older posts for LuLz like: http://opensslrampage.org/post/83007010531/well-even-if-time-isnt-random-your-rsa

      I wonder just how much scrutiny IPSec implementations have gotten, especially since it's such a usability nightmare that nobody uses it.

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