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    Buffer Open Blog

    open.bufferapp.com · Company blog · on HN since 2013

    Buffer's team writes about running the company openly, including public salaries, equity formulas, pricing, a security incident, and self-management.

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    What HN says

    HN cites it as an example of open compensation and self-management; commenters are split, some worried that open salaries compress pay and that zero-negotiation policies still require trust.

    Stats for nerds
    79HN people shared it
    54linked in comments
    994story points
    Jul 2015last shared
    2013people per year2015

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Introducing Open Salaries at Buffer
      20 people · 563 points · first shared 2013 · 337 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Buffer raises $3.5M
      3 people · 171 points · first shared 2014 · 42 comments on HN
    3. 3
      What We Got Wrong About Self-Management: Embracing Natural Hierarchy
      2 people · 42 points · first shared 2015 · 16 comments on HN
    4. 4
      Introducing transparent pricing
      2 people · 35 points · first shared 2014 · 4 comments on HN
    5. 5
      Buffer has been hacked – here is what’s going on
      7 people · 23 points · first shared 2013 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      Buffer’s Rejected Y Combinator Application
      4 people · 13 points · first shared 2014 · 1 comments on HN
    7. 7
      Buffer January Update: $3,900,000 run rate (38.3% growth), 1,320,813 users
      1 person · 13 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Introducing the Public Buffer Revenue Dashboard: Our Real-Time Numbers
      2 people · 12 points · first shared 2014 · 1 comments on HN
    9. 9
      Why We Removed the Word ‘Hacker’ from Buffer Job Descriptions
      3 people · 10 points · first shared 2015 · 3 comments on HN
    10. 10
      Buffer December Update: $2,819,000 run rate, 1,249,000 users
      2 people · 10 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • mallyvaiApr 2015

      I have incredibly mixed feelings about this. Zero-negotiation policies are great tools for eliminating unfairness if executed well, the problem is that you still force the employee to end "trusting someone at their word", and every company claims they're going to make a fair, standard offer. Here's the thing:

      1) Yes, being strict and almost formulaic will reduce inequality and increase probability that folks are compensated according to actual value.

      2) But you need meaningful transparency around this. I guarantee you, 100% that if I had a live offer at Reddit, I could find some way to negotiate some additional crap that amounted to a meaningful compensation bump in the end.

      3) Every company that does this ends up making exceptions for people the higher-up you go. Wealthfront, Stack Exchange, and now Reddit, will join the club of companies that negotiate with execs they hire, VCs, and bizdev partners, suppliers - basically, everybody except their employees. And even then only "most of the time"- there are always exceptions - just hold out for a higher comp band. Get a stronger inside referral. It's always possible.

      Something very close to the Buffer model is the only real way to do things. You can tweak the variables, but you need strictness and transparency. https://open.bufferapp.com/buffer-open-equity-formula/

      Ellen, Alexis - If you're reading this, I'd love a chance to understand your challenges in crafting these policies, and see if I could offer any input from my…

    • sunils34Jan 2014

      Buffer (http://bufferapp.com) - REMOTE (We're a small distributed team of 17 people (5 engineers) across the US, UK, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Sweden and Australia)

      I'd love for you to come join Buffer for the fun ride. We have over 1.1 million users and our annual run rate is over $2m. There are some super interesting challenges ahead, as we focus on Buffer for Business.
      We're looking to expand our engineering team with the following open positions.

      * Reliability Hacker (Devops engineer). 

      * Happiness (Support) Engineer

      * Backend Hacker

      Here are some key stats about our technology and scale.

      - we have over 150k monthly active users.
      - 8500+ API clients. Most popular: Feedly, IFTTT, Pocket, Instapaper
      - we release changes several times a day - we have an entirely data-driven process, with Einstein and Buffer-Metrics, our custom built a/b testing and metrics tracking framework.
      - Some of the tech we work with: PHP, Python, MongoDB, AWS (Elastic Beanstalk, Elasticache, SQS), Backbone.js, Grunt.js, Android, iOS.)

      More stats and stack details here: http://overflow.bufferapp.com/2013/08/01/scaling-buffer-in-2013/

      We're a small team of driven hackers and happiness heroes (our support people). Just like you, we're excited and passionate about engineering challenges and have some interesting architecture and scaling problems we work on.
      If you're interested in coming on board, you’ll:

      - work closely myself on technical architecture and Joel on product.
      -…

    • JoshTriplettOct 2014

      That's a really good example of impostor syndrome on a grand scale.

      Also see http://alistapart.com/column/seeing-past-the-highlight-reel : "we compare our behind-the-scenes with everyone else’s highlight reel".

      People also tend to sound far better in writing, precisely because they have the opportunity to compose and edit; you don't necessarily see the volume of composition and editing that goes into the average post. Anecdotally, I'd suggest that it takes far longer to write a quality post than you'd guess. Short content can take all the longer to write, precisely because of its brevity. ("I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." -- Blaise Pascal)

      (I also like this image: http://open.bufferapp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/0-VtB9_W6sRf4z6O0d.png )

      And that's just on an individual level, comparing yourself to one specific other person. When you compare yourself to an entire community of people and their highlights, you run into exactly the issue mixmax noted: the most knowledgeable and confident people will post, and a subset of those will get upvoted.

      Comparing yourself individually to the best of what a large community can offer is like asking why you're not an Olympic athlete.

      If you want to build up your skills in writing specifically, consider focusing your writing on areas you already have expertise in, or on areas that you're actively learning about to provide an "experiences" type of writeup. And compare…

    • morganteJul 2015

      I really hope this "open salary" trend doesn't continue. It has the effect of systematically decreasing the standard deviation in developer salaries. Poor negotiators (and some poor performers), of course, love having access to this salary information as pointing to a public average is any easy way to ask for more money without having to put much effort into actually negotiating. Great negotiators, on the other hand, are getting salaries far above the median for their positions and the additional information wouldn't help them at all. I strongly suspect that if salaries were public companies would be far less willing to give in to great negotiators as a single isolated case could easily cause cascading demands from other employees.

      (Note that salary ranges/averages are irrelevant if you're a great negotiator except as a story-telling tool. All you should be playing with is your BATNA and the company's BATNA.)

      If you don't think open salaries have a negative effect on top engineer salaries, look at how little Buffer is paying.[0]

      In the status quo, open salaries are a tax on poor negotiators which companies and good negotiators split. As a pretty good negotiator, I hope we don't go public.

      [0] https://open.bufferapp.com/introducing-open-salaries-at-buffer-including-our-transparent-formula-and-all-individual-salaries/

    • joelgascoigneOct 2013

      Hi everyone. Joel here from Buffer.

      Some of you might have heard about our security breach on Saturday. I just wanted to leave a quick note and clarify that this MongoHQ security breach was the method used to obtain our users' access tokens, which led to the wave of spam on Saturday.

      This is a key final piece of our investigation which brings it back full circle. I'm very happy that we have been able to gain the full understanding and can be confident there is no backdoor.

      I want to be clear that this is still our fault. If access tokens were encrypted (which they are now) then this would have been avoided. In addition, MongoHQ have provided great insights and have much more logging in place than we have ourselves. We’re also increasing logging significantly as a result.

      I've updated our security breach blog post with this information. If you want to see the full set of events, take a read here: http://open.bufferapp.com/buffer-has-been-hacked-here-is-whats-going-on/#update9

      Let me know if you have any questions about this. I'll keep an eye on this thread.

    • sudonimJan 2014

      Here's data for Customer.io for comparison:

      * Currently based in NYC

      * Raised ~$700k.

      * Both of us founders are each @ $80k and have been the same with the exception of a couple of months at minimum wage.

      The goal with these salaries, was to be able to not think about money while working on the company. It kind of worked. 80k in NYC doesn't get you very far unless you're making huge lifestyle changes and not eating out with friends, or traveling for fun etc... I moved out of Manhattan to Brooklyn to save a bit on rent.

      I'm planning to raise our salaries later in 2014 (don't tell John, it'll be a surprise).

      For other examples, check out what Joel @ Buffer has shared about their salaries:

      http://open.bufferapp.com/introducing-open-salaries-at-buffer-including-our-transparent-formula-and-all-individual-salaries/

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