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    Waymo Blog

    medium.com/waymo · Company blog · on HN since 2016

    Waymo's official blog on its self-driving cars, covering mileage, disengagement data, mapping, machine learning, trucks, and its legal dispute with Uber.

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    What HN says

    HN commenters cite it for technical details on autonomous driving, such as disengagement rates, hand signal recognition, emergency vehicle sounds, and the retired Firefly prototype.

    Stats for nerds
    76HN people shared it
    52linked in comments
    634story points
    Oct 2024last shared
    2016people per year2024

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey
      2 people · 327 points · first shared 2018 · 170 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Waymo: Bringing 3D perimeter Lidar to partners
      1 person · 136 points · first shared 2019 · 61 comments on HN
    3. 3
      A note on our lawsuit against Otto and Uber
      20 people · 40 points · first shared 2017 · 2 comments on HN
    4. 4
      Building maps for a self-driving car
      4 people · 21 points · first shared 2016 · 8 comments on HN
    5. 5
      Waymo disengagement report
      1 person · 14 points · first shared 2018 · 6 comments on HN
    6. 6
      Waymo's safety-related disengages drop to 0.2 per 1000 miles
      2 people · 13 points · first shared 2017 · 1 comments on HN
    7. 7
      AutoML: Automating the design of machine learning models for autonomous driving
      3 people · 8 points · first shared 2019 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Same driver, different vehicle: Bringing Waymo self-driving technology to trucks
      3 people · 7 points · first shared 2018 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      Waymo will add up to 20,000 Jaguar I-PACEs to their fleet
      2 people · 7 points · first shared 2018 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      The Waymo Open Dataset
      1 person · 7 points · first shared 2019 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • yourapostasyMay 2018

      Depending upon your statistical sources, US traffic fatalities are around 1.25-1.50 per 100 million miles. [1] All forms of real-world autonomous driving across all manufacturers across the world are still somewhere below 200 million miles, conservatively estimated. [2] [3] Between the Tesla and Uber fatalities, by these rough back-of-the-envelope numbers, autonomous of various grades is still roughly 2X higher than human drivers. Maybe 1X if you squint at the numbers hard enough, but likely not orders of magnitude lower. I don't anticipate rapid legislative and insurance liability protections for autonomous systems until we see orders of magnitude differences on a per 100 million miles driven basis, and that will take time.

      Waymo racks up about 10,000 miles per day across about 600 vehicles spread in about 25 cities. [4] Roughly 3.6 million miles per year if they stay level, but they're anticipated to rapidly add more vehicles to their fleet. In the US alone, about 3.22 trillion miles were driven in 2016. [5] Don't know what a statistically valid sample size is based upon that (I get nonsensical results below 2000 miles, so I'm doing something stupid), though. If Waymo puts two orders of magnitude more cars out there, they'll still "only" rack up about 365 million miles per year, and not all the miles on the same version of software.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States

      [2]…

    • chromaMay 2019

      Rodney Brooks is misleading. He says things like, "It was actually done in Germany in 1987." but neglects to mention that the road had no other cars on it.[1] He also claims that the first autonomous coast to coast drive happened in 1995, but actually the project was autonomously controlling steering, not gas or brakes, and 150 miles of the trip were driven by humans.[2]

      Modern autonomous vehicles are much more impressive. They were successfully navigating urban environments 12 years ago.[3] Waymo's cars have driven over 10 million miles and disengagement rate is once every 11,000 miles.[4] We're at the point where no major breakthroughs are needed, just incremental improvements. That's what's different from earlier eras of autonomous vehicles.

      1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_self-driving_cars#1980s has this quote:

      > In the 1980s, a vision-guided Mercedes-Benz robotic van, designed by Ernst Dickmanns and his team at the Bundeswehr University Munich in Munich, Germany, achieved a speed of 39 miles per hour (63 km/h) on streets without traffic.

      2. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/tjochem/www/nhaa/nhaa_home_page.html

      3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge_(2007)

      4. https://medium.com/waymo/an-update-on-waymo-disengagements-in-california-d671fd31c3e2

    • choppafaceOct 2019

      Will they be the current cars, or cars with the new next-gen hardware that are substantially safer? The cars that end up driving could signal a lot to the industry.

      New lidar was spotted a few months ago and more recently on the Jaguar cars and the CEO said it’s an order of magnitude better: https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2019/04/21/new-waymo-lidar-spotted/
      https://medium.com/waymo/waymo-iaa-frankfurt-2019-b3cca36d8479

      One would imagine this early announcement comes in reaction to their recent “valuation” cut: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/27/waymo-valuation-cut-40percent-by-morgan-stanley-to-105-billion.html

      If Waymo starts driving without safety drivers en-masse, even on small fixed routes, it will signal certain takeover metrics have been hit. It will be interesting to see if Waymo uses existing cars (the ML and planners just got better) or if they use new hardware and signal a certain lidar improvement is necessary for achieving a viable takeover rate.

      The signal won’t be clear but should be there. And then it’s up to the rest of the industry to show how fast they can react to the change.

    • unityByFreedomApr 2019

      1) Tesla does not report their numbers, though one person who went for a ridealong in the autonomy day demo reported one takeover in 20-minutes [1], so at least once every 10 miles.

      2) Waymo does testing on a lot of types of roads. They reported 1.26 million miles in CA last year [2]. It's not possible to apples-to-apples compare this to Tesla's numbers because Tesla does not share their data. Musk even turned down an analyst's request the other day for details backing up his claim of autopilot safety [3].

      Tesla/Musk are being unreasonable when they claim stats show their system is 40% safer or 2x safer than normal driving because they are comparing to NHTSA stats which include all classes of cars (including motorcycles), all road types (whereas AP is mainly used on divided highways), and all weather conditions (nobody activates AP in the snow, I hope, and I doubt many do in rain).

      [1] https://youtu.be/2BZHXh1nbWc?t=450

      [2] https://medium.com/waymo/an-update-on-waymo-disengagements-in-california-d671fd31c3e2

      [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvatzjHGyk&t=47m17s

    • kjksfAug 2017

      The technology for autonomous cars does exist. Latest data from Waymo is that they can drive 5.000 miles on average before disengagement (https://medium.com/waymo/accelerating-the-pace-of-learning-36f6bc2ee1d5).

      They are not ready to be widely deployed but are close, which is why we're talking about them. It's an exciting technology with great potential impact on the future and a lot of that impact is positive.

      As far as bikes go: no one is complaining about them. It's all in your mind.

      As far as public transit: autonomous cars will improve it. By my calculations, autonomous car will be cheaper, unsubsidized, than a $2.50 bus ride subsidized by the city from our taxes (SF has ~$1 billion budget to fund money-loosing bart, buses etc.).

      And that's cars. Things will be even cheaper if we get buses to be autonomous. At which point it's likely bus service will be cheaper and provided by a commercial company (the only reason public transport is government owned is because it looses money, so it wouldn't exist as private company).

    • gvbMay 2017

      Waymo says they have proof of #1 and #2.

      We found that six weeks before his resignation this former employee, Anthony Levandowski, downloaded over 14,000 highly confidential and proprietary design files for Waymo’s various hardware systems, including designs of Waymo’s LiDAR and circuit board. To gain access to Waymo’s design server, Mr. Levandowski searched for and installed specialized software onto his company-issued laptop. Once inside, he downloaded 9.7 GB of Waymo’s highly confidential files and trade secrets, including blueprints, design files and testing documentation. Then he connected an external drive to the laptop. Mr. Levandowski then wiped and reformatted the laptop in an attempt to erase forensic fingerprints.

      Ref: https://medium.com/waymo/a-note-on-our-lawsuit-against-otto-and-uber-86f4f98902a1#.3vm7k8r6n

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