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    Lucas Nussbaum

    lucas-nussbaum.net · Personal blog · on HN since 2010

    Lucas Nussbaum, a Debian developer and Ruby package maintainer, writes about release management and how Debian handles Ruby packaging.

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    What HN says

    HN commenters cite his posts as the Debian side of a dispute with Rubyists over packaging, noting he later addressed their concerns.

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    15HN people shared it
    10linked in comments
    275story points
    Aug 2013last shared
    2010people per year2013

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    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • dredmorbiusMay 2012

      The reasons I would cite: the Ruby development community leaves a lot to be desired from a sysadmin's perspective. We went through similar pains with Perl, but they're mostly a decade or two behind us. With Ruby, there are multiple concurrently maintained trees, it's hard to sort which one should be "primary" on a system, and you have to do a lot of serious grokkage to understand that RVM isn't really intended for maintaining system Ruby installs, but a local per-user developer instance. Which, when what you've got Ruby for is managing chef, is a more than slightly whack.

      http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=617
      http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=681
      http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2059964

      Much of Perl's use is by sysadmins, which means it plays well in their space. By contrast, much of Ruby's use is by web developers, many of them on bastardized MacOS systems (they're born bastards, it's not the developers' fault ;-). Which means that Ruby's packaging is whack.

      I don't hack much of either, though work around both. The nice thing about Perl from my perspective is:

      1. It's included with the system. I run Debian/Ubuntu boxes if I can possibly help it, Perl is of of the tools used to write a whole slew of system scripts, and as a consequence, it's very well managed within the distro. Red Hat/CentOS aren't far behind.

      2. CPAN plays nice. Under Debian, your CPAN bundles are installed to /usr/local/ Debian's just sorting out where to store Ruby…

    • sciurusApr 2013

      Do you mean what is covered at https://lwn.net/Articles/423732/ ? I don't think that makes Nussbaum look bad at all.

      A few months after that fracas, Debian actually made several changes to address Rubyist's concerns; see http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=681

    • marianaSep 2010

      You know, maybe somebody would want to know the Debian POV on this issue:

      * http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=566

      * http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=575

      Debian is all about stability and volunteer effort.

      Whining is not going to fix things.

    • mgunesSep 2010

      It might be worth re-evaluating this rant in the light of Lucas Nussbaum's (Debian Ruby maintainer) recent "mythbusting and FAQ" post:

      http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=566

    • nailerAug 2013

      Ack re: Firefox branding. However the FHS stuff was also part of it - see post from a Mozillian here: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=211

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