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    Liam Proven

    liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org · Personal blog · on HN since 2022

    Liam Proven writes about operating systems, lean software, Linux and BSD history, desktop environments and old computers.

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    What HN says

    HN links it for retro computing and OS history, and a commenter cites his lean software views against bloated, over-designed systems.

    Stats for nerds
    17HN people shared it
    35linked in comments
    1.2Kstory points
    May 2026last shared
    2024people per year2026

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Everyone seems to forget why GNOME and GNOME 3 and Unity happened
      2 people · 562 points · first shared 2022 · 397 comments on HN
    2. 2
      A Plea for Lean Software (1995)
      5 people · 157 points · first shared 2022 · 133 comments on HN
    3. 3
      On the strange joys of mainframe OSes that have survived into modern times
      1 person · 111 points · first shared 2022 · 122 comments on HN
    4. 4
      I think the GNOME designers are incompetent
      1 person · 94 points · first shared 2022 · 147 comments on HN
    5. 5
      The pivotal importance of IBM's PS/2 range on computers, even today
      2 people · 63 points · first shared 2022 · 84 comments on HN
    6. 6
      How to tell a mainframe from a minicomputer from a micro
      1 person · 62 points · first shared 2022 · 27 comments on HN
    7. 7
      The reason that the first version of Windows NT was called 3.1
      1 person · 43 points · first shared 2022 · 14 comments on HN
    8. 8
      DOS live USB image with tools for writers
      1 person · 30 points · first shared 2025 · 9 comments on HN
    9. 9
      MS-DOS was *not* an illegal clone of CP/M
      1 person · 19 points · first shared 2022 · 9 comments on HN
    10. 10
      Plan 9 Is a Bicycle
      2 people · 12 points · first shared 2024 · 2 comments on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • camgunzFeb 2024

      I'm a Vim user and I've made this point when I rail against IDEs; it's even on the front page today [0]: "5. The belief that complex systems require armies of designers and programmers is wrong. A system that is not understood in its entirety, or at least to significant degree of detail by a single individual, should probably not be built."

      I think I agree, but I think there are a lot of things you could say about this. What if you're just starting out and you don't know how to efficiently design systems? What if you work in an industry of people under 40 (under 30?) who by definition can't have the kind of experience that would let you design small systems? What if you work for a company that doesn't want to give you the time to figure it out? What if you have a competitor that's just shipping trash and forcing you out of the market with a "we'll clean up the tech debt later" mentality? How do we make tools that are powerful enough to enable us to do hard things, but wise enough to keep us from doing foolish things? Should we rely on our tools to do this? Is this an argument against centralization? Isn't that deeply inefficient?

      Honestly I struggle with this all the time. I've got the outlines of some ideas and there are some tech communities grappling with the same issues, but I think we're just at the very beginning of a rethink about how we do software.

      [0]: https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/88032.html

    • lprovenMay 2026

      > One interesting turn on the ST side was the creation of from-scratch GEM implementations.

      Oh yes indeed. I was on the edge of the FreeGEM project: I did some bug-fixing, documentation, translation, and stuff like that. I ended up learning a lot about the history of ST GEM, and one aspect was how its cleanly-layered design let people just re-implement bits and plug them back into the original.

      Which is what led to FreeMINT and TOS 4, and the desire for a FOSS distro of that is what led to AFROS.

      > You can even run MagiC on Linux now

      Oh! I knew he'd open-sourced it. I did mention MagiC in passing in my follow-up to Nemanja's history:

      https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/96552.html

      I didn't realise there had been recent activity. I must try it. Thank you!

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