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    netblue30

    l3net.wordpress.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2013

    netblue30 is the developer of Firejail, a Linux sandbox, and writes about sandboxing, Debian setups, and lightweight desktops.

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    What HN says

    HN commenters recommend its Firejail posts as a way to sandbox browsers and desktop apps using namespaces and seccomp, instead of heavier container tools.

    Stats for nerds
    22HN people shared it
    28linked in comments
    344story points
    Apr 2016last shared
    2013people per year2016

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      A Memory Comparison of Light Linux Desktops
      1 person · 101 points · first shared 2013 · 80 comments on HN
    2. 2
      A Memory Comparison of Light Linux Desktops
      2 people · 79 points · first shared 2013 · 39 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Firejail – Simple Linux sandbox with seccomp
      8 people · 66 points · first shared 2014 · 10 comments on HN
    4. 4
      Debian Virtualization: LXC Network Isolation
      2 people · 45 points · first shared 2013 · 4 comments on HN
    5. 5
      Firejail – A Security Sandbox for Mozilla Firefox, Part 1
      5 people · 6 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      Lightweight Debian: LXDE Desktop From Scratch
      2 people · 6 points · first shared 2013 · Discussion on HN
    7. 7
      Freejail: a Linux security sandbox
      1 person · 5 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Debian/Ubuntu Cross-distro Gaming with Firejail
      2 people · 4 points · first shared 2014 · 1 comments on HN
    9. 9
      Debian Virtualization: LXC Desktop Virtualization
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2013 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      Lightweight Debian: LXDE Desktop from Scratch
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2014 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • tobbybAug 2015

      The new Firejail app [1] may be worth exploring as it is designed to run locally installed apps like browsers and games in sandboxes, as opposed to more chroot oriented container managers like LXC, Docker or Nspawn. They all use namespaces.

      If you want to use a chroot oriented container manager its better to use an unprivileged container so you are not running as root. Currently only LXC has support for unprivileged containers. We have an experimental GUI app container with Chrome that can be used in unprivileged mode. [2]

      You can even run your own sandbox with a simple command like this 'unshare -fp --mount-proc' That gives you a bash shell in its own pid space. You can expand this command further to use more namespaces like mount, net, user to get yourself a sandbox.

      That is what apps like firejail and container managers are using, but its useful to know what's happening underneath. We are currently working on a guide on how to use unshare that may help. [3]

      [1] https://l3net.wordpress.com/projects/firejail/

      [2] https://www.flockport.com/apps/lxc-gui/

      [3] https://www.flockport.com/how-linux-containers-work/

    • chilicuilAug 2015

      Updating software shouldn't give a sense of security, instead use sandbox/cipher technologies more generalized, for firefox you could use firejail[0] or sandfox[1].

      Or even more general approaches like subuser[2] or QubeOs[3].

      Personally I use FF 28.x + Noscript + Adblock plus + Firejail 0.9.28-1 and I feel quite confident I won't get hacked by random attacks.

      [0] https://l3net.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/firejail-a-security-sandbox-for-mozilla-firefox/

      [1] https://igurublog.wordpress.com/downloads/script-sandfox/

      [2] http://subuser.org/

      [3] https://www.qubes-os.org/

    • sleepycalFeb 2015

      Thanks for the feedback and alternatives, I hadn't seen Spoon or LXD yet so I'll check those out. Namespaces are sometimes supported directly by the application itself, for example uWSGI, and anything lacking native support you can use firejail [1]. There is also an article [2] by an OVH employee about using namespaces directly in C.

      [1]: https://l3net.wordpress.com/projects/firejail/

      [2]: https://blog.jtlebi.fr/2013/12/22/introduction-to-linux-namespaces-part-1-uts/

    • jude-Sep 2014

      > Lastly, lightweight containers are the real-deal for small development tasks (not for production!). Just one command: systemd-nspawn, and you're ready to go.

      You might be interested in firejail [1]. It makes finer-grained use of Linux namespaces, and doesn't depend on systemd (or much of anything, for that matter).

      [1] http://l3net.wordpress.com/projects/firejail/

    • the8472Apr 2016

      we can get better compartmentalization than that with things like user namespaces (firejail[1]) or spawning a temporary user id[2]

      [1] https://l3net.wordpress.com/projects/firejail/
      [2] https://github.com/teran-mckinney/raru

    • anthkAug 2015

      https://l3net.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/firejail-a-security-sandbox-for-mozilla-firefox/
      https://l3net.wordpress.com/2015/02/19/firejail-a-security-sandbox-for-mozilla-firefox-part-2/

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