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    In Relation To

    in.relation.to · Company blog · on HN since 2009

    Blog of the Hibernate project and its developers, including Gavin King, covering Hibernate releases and his Ceylon language articles.

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    What HN says

    HN links it for Hibernate release news and Gavin King's Ceylon writing; one commenter quotes King's replies on Ceylon syntax when explaining why they chose Kotlin.

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    16HN people shared it
    27linked in comments
    67story points
    Aug 2017last shared
    2014people per year2017

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Gavin King: Ceylon is no Java killer
      1 person · 27 points · first shared 2011 · 7 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Hibernate Core 4.0 is Final
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2012 · Discussion on HN
    3. 3
      Hibernate Search 5.5.4.Final is here
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN
    4. 4
      Hibernate ORM 5.1.1.Final has been released
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN
    5. 5
      Hibernate moves to Git + Git tips and tricks
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2010 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      Hibernate to Move to the Commonhaus Foundation
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2024 · Discussion on HN
    7. 7
      Hibernate ORM 5.2.2 has been released with lots of goodies
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Introduction to Ceylon [Series of articles by Gavin King]
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2011 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      The DISTINCT Pass-Through Hibernate Query Hint, JPA Fix
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      Bean Validation benchmark (re)revisited
      1 person · 1 points · first shared 2018 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • ptxAug 2017

      I can tell you my main reason for going with Kotlin after looking into Ceylon[1]:

      14. Apr 2011, 01:44 CET Gavin King | gavin.king(AT)gmail.com

      > 1. 'variable' keyword is to long use var instead

      We've so far avoided abbreviations. In practice the IDE will
      type this annotation name for me.

      I don't want a language designed to require an IDE – if the language is so cumbersome that you need a tool to write it for you, then you might as well just use Java. With Kotlin, I can write in Emacs if I feel like it, since being concise is one of their explicit design goals.

      (Ironic, I guess, that the language developed by an IDE vendor is the better one to use without an IDE.)

      Edit: To elaborate, the Ceylon docs say[2] that "one of the goals of the language is for most code to be immediately readable to people who aren't Ceylon programmers, and who haven't studied the syntax of the language."

      I think this is a very misguided goal. No programmer is going to be confused about what "var" means, so making everyone type "variable" gains you nothing. And at the same time, that very same introduction page has plenty of syntax that you won't understand without studying it first, so it still wouldn't achieve their aim, even if those concessions to verbosity had somehow helped.

      [1] http://in.relation.to/2011/04/13/ceylon/

      [2] https://www.ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current/introduction/

    • based2Dec 2014

      http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/FirstHibernateOGMReleaseAka41Final

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