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    Hussman Funds

    hussmanfunds.com · Company blog · on HN since 2008

    John Hussman, a fund manager, writes market commentary on stock valuations, bubbles and economic cycles for Hussman Funds.

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    Commenters cite his valuation metrics as better bubble indicators than P/E, though one notes his funds have underperformed in most years.

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    • acslater00Apr 2013

      Couple things here.

      First, corporate profits are aberrantly high for a number of reasons, none of which are likely to be permanent. John Hussman, an analyst whom I respect deeply, has a good discussion of this from the perspective of stock valuations, but the basic point is relevant here. [http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc130408.htm]

      Second, while I agree that this is "the story" in a purely journalistic sense, it's important not to get too carried in discussions about relative income distributions and miss the forest for the trees, as it were.

      Income inequality is not an informationally useful statistic on its own. Income inequality can be thought of as a measure of the strength of incentives in a system. Those incentives can be good or bad on their own. In 3rd world nations, income inequality is a reflection of the strong incentive to be corrupt and steal. In the closed system of Goldman Sachs, income inequality (among employees) is a measure of the incentive to achieve annual performance targets. In the context of the public education system, it is a measure of the incentive to achieve seniority and bureaucratic promotions. In startups it reflects the incentive to get acquired or IPO. Et cetera.

      In the United States, when people say that income inequality is too high, what they're usually thinking is that the wrong things are being incentivized and rewarded. That's a fine discussion to have, and I would agree that certain industries [health care jumps immediately to…

    • grey-areaSep 2022

      Yes, that's why it has far more to go to revert to the mean of earnings and price. Earnings are also artificially inflated, and will drift down, and stock prices with them, we're just seeing the beginning of that process.

      Here's someone else who called it over a year ago with some charts with counterpoint those you link:

      https://www.hussmanfunds.com/comment/mc220925/

      OR CAPE:
      https://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe

      Note he's in good company, with Jeremy Grantham for example also warning of the same thing:

      https://www.livewiremarkets.com/wires/grantham-this-is-a-bubble-this-is-serious

      Just to be clear, the argument is not 'everything is shit now because inflation', it is that the era of easy money has ended, significant inflation and war means a regime change in central bank intervention, and central banks will now tighten till things break. They haven't even managed to unwind QE yet and stop buying their own debt, will they ever? If they do, watch out.

      This isn't doom and gloom, it's simple realism about the regime change in interest rates - the era of 0% money is gone, in its place we have a normalisation, which means a normalisation of frothy asset prices and a reversion to the mean of earnings and prices in many domains. Usually these things take a year or two to work out, it won't be a fast process.

    • mellavoraDec 2021

      Ah, the Phillips curve. I recommend you make some charts for yourself comparing US unemployment figures with CPI inflation and see if you can spot the curve.

      hint: https://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc110404.htm

      spoiler: " there is in fact no strong "tradeoff" between unemployment and general price inflation, and almost certainly not an exploitable one. The Phillips Curve is essentially a statement that lower unemployment is associated with higher inflation in real wages. The strategy of accepting higher inflation in hopes of achieving lower unemployment (which is the basis of Bernanke's policy efforts) not only drops the phrase "real wages" but reverses the direction of cause and effect. "

      Also, it has clearly not been transitory for most of 2021. The "transitory" claim was backed partly by the pandemic, but relied on a 1-year lag. If, however, you used a 2-year lag (thus eliminating pandemic effects...

    • thelastgallonNov 2025

      I think it may be fair? This guy[1] explains how surplus of corporate profits are a mirror image of household/govt debt. Which is a direct transfer of wealth from everyone to the super-super-rich (not the 1%, but the 0.1 - 0.01%)

      [1] The chart below shows how this works. The blue line at the top shows the “surplus” of corporations: corporate income minus expenses and net investment. We know this as corporate “free cash flow.” The red line shows combined “surplus” of other sectors: government, households, and foreign trading partners – in excess of their consumption and net investment. It’s negative, so in aggregate, they’re running a deficit. That deficit is the mirror image of the corporate surplus. This isn’t an accident. It’s just accounting (I’ve excluded a few tiny items for clarity): https://www.hussmanfunds.com/comment/mc251028/

    • unknown_apostleDec 2015

      Be careful with "raw" PE ratio. It peaks when earnings have already collapsed due to the denominator effect.

      Median of S&P500 price/sales (not quite the same as median of price/earnings of course):
      http://mebfaber.com/2015/03/13/stocks-are-the-most-expensive-since-the-1960s/

      Median of price/earnings for the broad NYSE universe:
      http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc150112.htm

      I don't think it's controversial to state that high valuations in equities are more broadly carried. (Hussman's weekly column is an interesting source of opinions on where these broad valuation measures stand at any given time.)

      Obviously, that doesn't automatically imply that any sort of deep loss is imminent. I believe it does say something about what you can reasonably expect in terms of long term total returns.

    • junkscience2017Dec 2017

      Lots of permabears will go long when it's obvious markets are headed up, not Hussman.

      https://www.hussmanfunds.com/strategic-growth-fund/

      As always, Hussman manages the near impossible feat of reliably losing money in virtually any market environment

      The Dow has risen 5k in a year and Hussman still manages to be in the red....I'm sure his clients are thrilled

      on top of the how-is-that-possible string of losses in every fund he manages across any time frame...his expense ratio is insane! 5% fee ratio to lose money in a bull market...sign me up?

      his clients would be better off maxing out a string of savings accounts to earn 0.1% interest but get FDIC coverage

      most permabears since the 80s realized you can't fight the Fed, even if the whole system is based on BS

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