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    Etherealmind

    etherealmind.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2011

    Networking blog covering firewalls, switching, SDN, Ethernet, and the industry around them, written from a network engineer's view.

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    Networking
    What HN says

    HN links it for networking explainers, such as one on jumbo frames and CRC32 and a post on Radia Perlman's Algorhyme.

    Stats for nerds
    22HN people shared it
    16linked in comments
    292story points
    Sep 2023last shared
    2015people per year2023

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Why firewalls won’t matter in a few years
      2 people · 198 points · first shared 2015 · 131 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Response: Open Web Alliance Lobbies to Intercept Your Traffic
      2 people · 59 points · first shared 2015 · 13 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Network Monitoring, Moral Hazards and Crumple Zones
      1 person · 16 points · first shared 2016 · 5 comments on HN
    4. 4
      Algorhyme
      2 people · 2 points · first shared 2021 · Discussion on HN
    5. 5
      SNA was awful. SDN Isn't awful (yet)
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2015 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      Not Giving Up on Data Surveillance
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2020 · Discussion on HN
    7. 7
      Learning Is About Competing With Yourself
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2012 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      RFC 1 Was Fifty One Years Ago
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2020 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      Soft Switching Fails at Scale
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2011 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      IPv6 Was Designed for Different Era
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2016 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • donavanmJan 2015

      Sure. By "trident" I really mean any merchant silicon switching platform. The Broadcom Trident ASIC/chipset really kicked this market segment off in 2011/2012ish. I mentioned it specifically as products like the Juniper QFX3500 series really opened up the door for things like fat/high radix clos networks that we're seeing in production.

      From memory the Trident boxes supported 640gbs of throughput on SFP+ or QSFP ports, about 10,000 prefixes/routes, a couple thousand ACL terms, 1 or 2u, and around 200watts. They cost maybe $20,000 at launch are down to $5-10,000 now depending on volume and vendor. That's great for a TOR or agg switch if you can manage the individual devices (as opposed to a switch chassis like a nexus 7K).

      The other thing those really opened up is cheap as chips edge devices. 10,000 routes isnt a lot, but it works if you have limited peers or can do summarization off device like a route reflector. These chipsets, and trident in particular, also work great with things like OpenFlow as you move that expensive route computation off device to a specialized platform.

      The trident platform is basically EOL'd, everyones moved on to Trident II for the most part. Trident II is like 100,000 prefixes, 50,000 ACLs, 1 or 2u, 200 to 400 watts, 1.2TBs of forwarding, and SFP+/QSFP ports. Price is $15-25,000 depending on volume and vendor etc. Pushing 640gbs of throughput for ~$20,000 is pretty crazy. It means I could build a single 10kVa server rack that pushes a legit…

    • lprovenSep 2023

      I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong.

      I would go so far as to say this is the standard informal/slang way to distinguish rotating magnetic media from optical/solid-state media, and off the cuff I'd say it has been since the advent of consumer optical media about 30 years ago.

      A definition from a decade and a half ago:

      https://etherealmind.com/network-dictionary-spinning-rust/

      From 8Y ago:

      http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_spinning_rust.htm

      It's in Wiktionary:

      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spinning_rust

      And Urban Dictionary:

      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Spinning%20Rust

    • brlewisSep 2019

      I definitely wasn't asking for maximum packet size, which a search feature showed in huge print as the answer to my question. I don't expect the search algorithm to know my precise intent, but I'd like it to weigh the word "typical" highly.

      Between google, bing and duckduckgo, only duckduckgo presented this above the fold: https://etherealmind.com/average-ip-packet-size/

    • bergoidJun 2019

      > spinning rust

      TIL

      https://etherealmind.com/network-dictionary-spinning-rust/

      > Spinning Rust – term for conventional hard disk drives with motors and using ferrous-based platters for data storage. Probably derogatory now that Flash Drives are beginning to replace conventional drives.

    • anonymousismeJul 2021

      Interesting writeup here: https://etherealmind.com/ethernet-jumbo-frames-full-duplex-9000-bytes/

      It claims that CRC32 is sufficient to detect errors in frames as large as 9000 bytes.

    • EtherealMindMay 2015

      Here is my explanation of the East/West & North/South int terms of Data Centre network architecture

      http://etherealmind.com/layer-2-multipath-east-west-bandwidth-switch-designs/

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