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    Eric Rahm

    erahm.org · Personal blog · on HN since 2016

    Eric Rahm, a Mozilla engineer, writes about Firefox memory usage, multi-process (e10s) architecture, and browser memory comparisons.

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    Systems & PerformanceWeb DevelopmentOpen Source & Linux
    What HN says

    HN commenters cite his measurements as data in Firefox memory debates, including e10s overhead versus Chrome and real-website comparisons.

    Stats for nerds
    15HN people shared it
    14linked in comments
    208story points
    Mar 2019last shared
    2016people per year2019

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Are They Slim Yet? Firefox, Chrome, IE, Safari
      1 person · 94 points · first shared 2017 · 98 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Memory Usage of Firefox with e10s Enabled
      1 person · 85 points · first shared 2016 · 44 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Firefox Memory Usage in the Quantum Era
      4 people · 8 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    4. 4
      A Rust-Based XML Parser for Firefox
      2 people · 8 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    5. 5
      Doubling the Number of Content Processes in Firefox
      3 people · 5 points · first shared 2019 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      MemShrink’s 6th Birthday
      2 people · 4 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    7. 7
      Firefox memory usage with multiple content processes
      1 person · 2 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Are we slim yet is dead, all hail are we slim yet
      1 person · 1 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    9. 9
      Firefox Compile Times on Windows Are Horrible
      1 person · 1 points · first shared 2017 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      Are they slim yet
      3 people · first shared 2016

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • ronjouchDec 2016

      > "Would you mind linking to some of those blogposts."

      A quick parsing of https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis yields "Memory Usage of Firefox with e10s Enabled" [1] and its followup "Are they slim yet?" [2], with [1] closing with these words:

      "Simply put: the more content processes we use, the more memory we use. On the plus side it’s not a 1:1 factor, with 8 content processes we see roughly a doubling of memory usage on the TabsOpenSettled measurement. It’s a bit worse on Windows, a bit better on OSX, but it’s not 8 times worse. Overall we see a 10-20% increase in memory usage for the 1 content process case (which is what we plan on shipping initially). This seems like a fair tradeoff for potential security and performance benefits, but as we try to grow the number of content processes we’ll need to take another look at where that memory is being used."

      Some comments at https://billmccloskey.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/multiprocess-firefox/ also hint at pre-existing discussion on the one-process-per-tab subject, but sadly without linking to it. You'd probably followup with a mailing lists search.

      [1] http://www.erahm.org/2016/02/11/memory-usage-of-firefox-with-e10s-enabled/

      [2] http://www.erahm.org/2016/02/12/are-they-slim-yet/

      --

      As for "What's the best way for a non-contributor to follow Firefox development?", I follow https://planet.mozilla.org/ , and if that's too much of a firehose to your taste, maybe try https://hacks.mozilla.org/

    • isaacaggreyJun 2016

      Memory usage is closely being watched as part of the 10s transition. Of course, e10s is not a free lunch, but according to early claims [1] it's 20% more than non-e10s Firefox and half the usage of Chrome's multi-process implementation.

      [1]: http://www.erahm.org/2016/02/12/are-they-slim-yet/

    • nnethercoteSep 2017

      Here's a blog post from this week about memory usage: http://www.erahm.org/2017/09/25/firefox-memory-usage-in-the-quantum-era/

      That's a comparison on real websites rather than browser benchmarks.

    • callahadApr 2016

      We're pretty consistently seeing Edge use fewer resources than Chrome, though there might be measurement challenges. Here's one recent benchmark: http://www.erahm.org/2016/02/12/are-they-slim-yet/

    • sonnypJun 2016

      There are interesting data and comparisons without E10S on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Release_Criteria and http://www.erahm.org/2016/02/11/memory-usage-of-firefox-with-e10s-enabled/

    • xtreak29Mar 2019

      http://www.erahm.org/2019/03/13/doubling-the-number-of-content-processes-in-firefox/

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