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    Credit Slips

    creditslips.org · Publication · on HN since 2008

    A group blog by bankruptcy and commercial law professors on consumer credit, bankruptcy, and financial regulation.

    Visit blogHN submissions
    Finance & InvestingCryptoPrivacy & Policy
    What HN says

    HN commenters cite it for legal analysis of what happens to customer assets if a crypto exchange goes bankrupt, the GENIUS Act, and card interchange fees.

    Stats for nerds
    35HN people shared it
    30linked in comments
    158story points
    May 2025last shared
    2008people per year2025

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Why the World Hates Lawyers
      1 person · 40 points · first shared 2014 · 15 comments on HN
    2. 2
      What happens if a cryptocurrency exchange files for bankruptcy?
      5 people · 31 points · first shared 2022 · 4 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Creative Destruction in Small Business Bankruptcy
      1 person · 27 points · first shared 2024 · 13 comments on HN
    4. 4
      Forcing Bank Deposits to Subsidize Stablecoins: The Genius Act
      2 people · 7 points · first shared 2025 · 1 comments on HN
    5. 5
      Fannie and Freddie Are Now Explicitly Guarantied
      1 person · 7 points · first shared 2025 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      “Student loans” that are not truly student loans can be discharged in bankruptcy
      1 person · 6 points · first shared 2018 · 1 comments on HN
    7. 7
      A Problem with Libra: Libra and Financial Inclusion
      2 people · 4 points · first shared 2019 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      Congress screwed up on the GENIUS act: stablecoin holders have fifth priority
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2025 · 1 comments on HN
    9. 9
      Private Equity's Abuse of Limited Liability
      2 people · 3 points · first shared 2019 · Discussion on HN
    10. 10
      Letitia James indictment falls short from Credit Slips org
      1 person · 3 points · first shared 2025 · 3 comments on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • iudqnolqJun 2022

      Nope.

      > But wait, you bluster, the custodial agreement clearly says that I am the owner, that it’s my property, that I retain title to it. Yup, but that’s not how the law actually works. Just because they wrote that doesn’t mean it’s true.

      > In fact, the exchanges are lulling the consumers with language claiming that the consumer "owns" the coins, when in fact the legal treatment is quite likely to be different in bankruptcy. In bankruptcy, it is likely to be treated as a debtor-creditor relationship, not a custodial (bailment) relationship.

      > Not only are the customers likely mere creditors, but they are also likely general unsecured creditors, which means they will have to wait at the back of the line for repayment with everyone else. They will share on a pro rata basis whatever assets are leftover (if any) after the secured creditors and the priority creditors (including the expenses of running the bankruptcy) get paid, and any payment might not be for quite a while. That’s not a happy to place to be. Recoveries could be pennies on the dollar.

      https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2022/02/what-happens-if-a-cryptocurrency-exchange-files-for-bankruptcy.html

    • lesamMar 2022

      Re: the house, no, most people don’t sit and read it: https://themortgagereports.com/39671/home-closing-what-you-need-to-read-what-you-can-skim .

      Even professional investors with millions of dollars of investments don’t appear to read or negotiate the documents until it looks like it might matter: https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2022/03/odd-lots-podcast-the-narrowly-avoided-russian-debt-default.html

      People just don’t care that much about legal documents until it looks like it will matter. People’s choice of individual contract provisions at most wage earning jobs, health care, rentals, or vacations is basically nil - they mostly don’t care to read it and so the writers of the contracts put in egregious terms.

    • panarkyMar 2024

      > It took a 20 year antitrust lawsuit to bring a 2% fee down to 1.96% for 3 years?

      It's worse than that.

      See: https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2024/03/the-proposed-credit-card-interchange-settlement.html

      "When the litigation began in 2005, average interchange fees were 1.75%. After the settlement, they will be at 2.19%"

      "Credit card interchange fees after the settlement will be 25% higher than when the litigation began."

      "When the litigation began in 2005, American merchants paid the highest interchange fees in the developed world. After the settlement, American merchants will still pay the highest interchange fees in the developed world."

    • ScoundrellerJan 2021

      The filing is posted here: https://www.creditslips.org/files/show_temp.pl-37.pdf

      Their assets and liabilities are both between $100m and $500m.

      What I found interesting is:

      Are any bankruptcy cases
      pending or being filed by a
      business partner or an
      affiliate of the debtor?
       No
      X Yes.
      List all cases. If more than 1,
      Debtor: Sea Girt LLC Relationship: Affiliate

      More is described about this <60d old affiliate here: https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2021/01/nra-bankruptcy.html

    • cariasoMay 2025

      If the GENIUS Act becomes the law, we're in for a FUBAR situation when a stablecoin issuer ends up insolvent. Even more concerning, if a bank custodian for a stablecoin issuer's reserves ends up insolvent, the claims of the stablecoin investors will come ahead of the bank depositors. That's right. Crypto comes ahead of ma-and-pa.

      https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2025/05/the-genius-acts-insolvency-provisions-crypto-investors-come-ahead-of-bank-depositors.html

    • josakaNov 2022

      Customers with assets in custodial accounts of an exchange that goes bankrupt are likely general unsecured creditors, and the assets are probably property of the bankruptcy estate. https://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2022/02/what-happens-if-a-cryptocurrency-exchange-files-for-bankruptcy.html

      This means that, in the line of people to get paid out of those assets, you're not even at the front. Custodial accounts leave you with little protection.

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