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    Mike McQuaid

    blog.printf.net · Personal blog · on HN since 2010

    Mike McQuaid writes about software projects and talks, including GitTorrent, WebRTC, Go-playing computers, and the future of JavaScript.

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    What HN says

    HN links it mainly for GitTorrent, a 2015 proposal for a decentralized GitHub, which commenters cite when discussing peer-to-peer code hosting alternatives like radicle.

    Stats for nerds
    28HN people shared it
    12linked in comments
    1.9Kstory points
    Aug 2022last shared
    2013people per year2022

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      GitTorrent: A Decentralized GitHub
      18 people · 1.8K points · first shared 2015 · 169 comments on HN
    2. 2
      A Robot for Timo – cheap telepresence for remote teams
      2 people · 20 points · first shared 2014 · 6 comments on HN
    3. 3
      Computers are very good at the game of Go
      2 people · 12 points · first shared 2012 · Discussion on HN
    4. 4
      Computers that aren't computers
      1 person · 11 points · first shared 2010 · 3 comments on HN
    5. 5
      WebRTC without a signaling server
      5 people · 10 points · first shared 2013 · Discussion on HN
    6. 6
      Technical talks should be recorded
      2 people · 3 points · first shared 2013 · 1 comments on HN
    7. 7
      The Future of JavaScript
      1 person · 1 points · first shared 2013 · Discussion on HN
    8. 8
      The view source key
      1 person · first shared 2020
    9. 9
      Celebrating seven years with seven percent
      1 person · first shared 2013
    10. 10
      Git patches in gnus
      1 person · first shared 2019

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • fpgaminerMar 2016

      GitTorrent: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2015/05/29/announcing-gittorrent-a-decentralized-github/

      Imagine a world where GitTorrent is fully developed, includes support for issue tracking, and has a nice GUI client that makes the experience on-par with browsing github.com.

      I mention this not as an "Everybody bail out of GitHub and run to GitTorrent!!!" sort of statement, because I believe GitHub's response here was excellent and confidence inspiring. But it's an unnatural relationship for community supported, open source projects to host themselves on commercial platforms such as GitHub. GitHub primarily hosts them to promote its business. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it results impedance mismatches like demonstrated here.

      That isn't to say that a mature GitTorrent would replace GitHub. Rather, I envision GitHub becoming a supernode in the network, an identity provider, and a paid seed offering, all alongside their existing private repo business.

      Honestly, once I scrape a few projects off my plate, I'm inclined to dive into GitTorrent, see where it's at in development, and see if I can start contributing code. It just seems like such a cool and useful idea.

    • FeepingCreatureApr 2017

      > Do you really want the basic ability for two devices to talk to each other depend on something that goes over the internet?

      Set up your hosts file or edit the js to point at a local server.

      Of course, if you're in China you'd get in trouble making connections to an outside STUN server but if you're in China you're in trouble making connections to the outside anyways, and the STUN connection is probably the least of your worries.

      > just to use those poor imitations of sockets

      ... that work across NATs without issues, as opposed to real sockets...

      ---

      In any case, WebRTC doesn't strictly speaking need discovery servers at all. See http://blog.printf.net/articles/2013/05/17/webrtc-without-a-signaling-server/ It still uses STUN for public-ip discovery, but comments indicate that can be bypassed by just configuring the connection to use a local IP for STUN. Unsurprisingly, not many people seem to actually care about that.

    • cjbprimeMar 2020

      I don't think you're missing anything, except maybe just that closed-source is the default on macOS and Windows so the marginal loss of safety from one more closed-source privileged app isn't so high there.

      For the moment maybe the best we can do is trying to use apps with screen sharing support included, e.g. Visual Studio Code's sharing.

      Your mention of VNC reminded me of some work I did in 2008 :) https://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/01/26/multi-pointer-remote-desktop/

    • michaelmiorSep 2015

      I assume you're suggesting something like including such a timestamp in the commit message? If that's the case, that makes a lot of sense to me. It would be cool to have a tool to automate this. Or something like GitTorrent[0] might do the trick if it had wider adoption.

      [0] http://blog.printf.net/articles/2015/05/29/announcing-gittorrent-a-decentralized-github/

    • szupieFeb 2017

      I was wondering what this project had to do with GitHub. Looks like the only feature from GitHub that this addresses is the global username namespace, which it decentralises using the blockchain.

      Here's the article associated with the project: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2015/05/29/announcing-gittorrent-a-decentralized-github/

    • IanCalSep 2015

      You might like this: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2015/05/29/announcing-gittorrent-a-decentralized-github/

      Really you just want the very first part, since the more complex bits are around having mutable "latest" versions and usernames.

      And here's the github repo: https://github.com/cjb/gittorrent

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