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    PowerDNS Blog

    blog.powerdns.com · Company blog · on HN since 2014

    The team behind the PowerDNS open source DNS software writes about DNS, privacy, and working with open source projects.

    Visit blogHN submissions
    NetworkingPrivacy & PolicyOpen Source & Linux
    What HN says

    HN cites it for critiques of centralised DNS over HTTPS, covering privacy, competition, and broken split-horizon setups, plus release announcements.

    Stats for nerds
    25HN people shared it
    30linked in comments
    979story points
    Feb 2024last shared
    2014people per year2024

    Top posts on HN

    1. 1
      Goodbye PowerDNS
      3 people · 221 points · first shared 2020 · 101 comments on HN
    2. 2
      Centralised DoH is bad for privacy
      4 people · 204 points · first shared 2019 · 209 comments on HN
    3. 3
      How to talk to an open source project as a large scale or interesting user
      2 people · 172 points · first shared 2014 · 120 comments on HN
    4. 4
      The Big DNS Privacy Debate at FOSDEM
      1 person · 107 points · first shared 2019 · 62 comments on HN
    5. 5
      “The DNS Camel”, or, the rise in DNS complexity
      4 people · 82 points · first shared 2018 · 19 comments on HN
    6. 6
      DoH: Anti-Competitive and Network Neutrality Aspects
      3 people · 61 points · first shared 2019 · 50 comments on HN
    7. 7
      On Firefox moving DNS to a third party
      1 person · 53 points · first shared 2018 · 49 comments on HN
    8. 8
      Spoofing DNS with fragments
      1 person · 31 points · first shared 2018 · 44 comments on HN
    9. 9
      Dnsdist: DNS, abuse- and DoS-aware query distribution for optimal performance
      1 person · 22 points · first shared 2015 · 1 comments on HN
    10. 10
      How PowerDNS Is Open Source and a Successful Business
      1 person · 4 points · first shared 2019 · Discussion on HN

    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • mugsieSep 2019

      > in particular, you have no power to make the users polite.

      So very (and unfortunately) true. However they also have no power to make you do the thing they need straight away, or ever.

      > Even if you put hard work in it, you sacrifice a bit of your life.

      And this is bad. We need to move the needle away from this. It is incredibly exclusionary

      I am a younger person, no kids, in a job where I was able to negotiate for open source maintenance time. By making "sacrifice" a requirement it makes it off putting for someone with kids, or working in a job that has them working long hours, or working multiple jobs.

      > But the user, well, they just are what they are, software can't fix that.

      No, software can't fix it. but highlighting the problem, and letting people possibly see what they are doing is not useful may change the user.

      I have been a maintainer of a project for a long time, and I get everything from people pinging me in our IRC channel, to DMing me, to asking if I give them my skype ID so I can call into a bridge to help them debug an issue at midnight. We need to highlight this is not OK.

      Personally, I really like the PowerDNS rule for open source support [1] - it sets expectations, and the base requirements from someone looking for help.

      > the success, at least to me, was measured by the number of users

      That is a valid metric, but just one. I personally measured the success of the project based on what people were using it (e.g. I would rather wikimedia vs 20…

    • daperNov 2021

      From the described mistakes two come from lack of understanding how exactly DNS works. But I agree it's in fact hard, see [1]).

      1. "This strict DNS spec enforcement will reject a CNAME record at the apex of a zone (as per RFC-2181), including the APEX of a sub-delegated subdomain. This was the reason that customers using VPN providers were disproportionately"
      - This is non intuitive and maay people are surprised by that. You cannot create any subdomain (even www.domain.tld) if you created "domain.tld CNAME something...". Looks like not every server/resolver enforces that restriction.

      2. "based on expert advice, our understanding at the time was that DS records at the .com zone were never cached, so pulling it from the registrar would cause resolvers to immediately stop performing DNSSEC validation." - like any other record, they can be cached. DNS has also negative caching (caching of "not found responses". Moreover there are resolvers that allow configuring minimum TTL that can be higher that what your NS servers returns (like unbound - "cache-min-ttl" option) or can be configured to serve stale responses in case of resolution failures after the cached data expires [2]. That means returning TTL of "1s" will not work as you expect.

      [1] https://blog.powerdns.com/2020/11/27/goodbye-dns-goodbye-powerdns/
      [2] https://www.isc.org/blogs/2020-serve-stale/

    • AxisOfEvalApr 2014

      Their homepage is http://powerdns.net/, not http://powerdns.com/; and yes they are incorporated as TriLab. Like I said, they're (PowerDNS application & TriLab) hosted on their own their own infrastructure, which is currently hosed.

      So basically, PowerDNS.COM BV is doing a public service to TriLab BV by putting up a notice. And of course, one is bound to lose politesse when held responsible for stuff one hasn't done or isn't responsible for.

      And, no I am not with Trilab and I have nothing to do with their service besides being a harrowed paying customer.

      Edit: Blog post by the people at PowerDNS BV (not related to PowerDNS.NET) http://blog.powerdns.com/2014/04/13/on-powerdns-com-and-express-powerdns-net-hosting-by-trilab/

    • throw0101aDec 2020

      One of the purported benefits of DoH, and especially of not using one's ISP's DNS servers, was privacy from authoritative governments.

      Some critics of DoH, and especially centralized DoH, said that it would not help; see "DoH for oppressive regimes":

      * https://blog.powerdns.com/2019/09/25/centralised-doh-is-bad-for-privacy-in-2019-and-beyond/

      See also Paul Vixie:

      * https://blog.apnic.net/2019/11/04/dns-wars/

      Personally I prefer DoT: it allows me to control resolution on my network, but if you want to allow 953 and use a third party DNS service because of your ISP, you still can.

    • zdwFeb 2021

      A better criticism of DoH is here:

      https://blog.powerdns.com/2019/12/03/doh-anti-competitive-and-network-neutrality-aspects/

      I just hate that it breaks Split Horizon which is totally legitimate. Leaking local-to-the-LAN queries onto the public internet is also a concern.

      IMO the right way to do this is to run your own local DNS recursive resolver, and deploy DNSCurve. This doesn't work for myopic browser vendors though...

    • bandie91Dec 2020

      yes you CAN if you wish of course. on the other hand nowadays 95% of domains on the Internet can be identified by IP[1][2]. so ISPs still have a pretty good guess what sites do you visit even without DNS or SNI data.

      [1] https://blog.powerdns.com/2019/09/25/centralised-doh-is-bad-for-privacy-in-2019-and-beyond/

      [2] https://blog.apnic.net/2019/08/23/what-can-you-learn-from-an-ip-address/

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