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    David Chapman

    betterwithout.ai · Personal blog · on HN since 2023

    David Chapman, author of Meaningness, writes a book-length web essay arguing that AI is dangerous in ways beyond superintelligence and could be avoided.

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    HN commenters link it as a counterpoint to AI hype and cite its "backpropaganda" section on backpropagation, though some say it understates AI capabilities.

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    Mar 2023last shared

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    What HN people wrote when they linked it

    • gptgppFeb 2023

      I both agree and disagree. On one hand, yeah, people dramatically overstate the capabilities of AI. I think we made a terrible divergence when we started even using the term "AI" in favor of "machine learning."

      On the other hand, the examples given on this page:
      https://betterwithout.ai/AI-already-at-war

      Are pretty accurate descriptions of capabilities within the space, lots of real examples there. It's genuinely not hard to imagine in a few decades they might actually pose a "medium-level apocalyptic threat" as the author puts it.

      Arguably their present-day use is already disruptive to societal norms. Easy to imagine it getting out of hand.

    • ShredKazooFeb 2023

      >Pandora's box is open, the genie's bottle is uncorked

      As someone who's followed AI safety for over a decade now, it's been frustrating to see reactions flip from "it's too early to do any useful work!" to "it's too late to do any useful work!", with barely any time intervening.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AW4nSq0hAc

      Perhaps it is worth actually reading a book like this one (posted to HN yesterday) before concluding that it's too late to do anything? https://betterwithout.ai/only-you-can-stop-an-AI-apocalypse

    • smartmicMar 2023

      You might be interested in the writings of "Better Without AI", your comment immediately makes me think of this: https://betterwithout.ai/gradient-dissent#backpropaganda

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